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Is God’s justice close to an eye for an eye?
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RE: Is God’s justice close to an eye for an eye?
(January 14, 2012 at 6:27 am)Welsh cake Wrote:
(January 13, 2012 at 7:10 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: Is God’s justice close to an eye for an eye?
Its retribution, not correction or rehabilitation for wrong acts committed. God's, or rather man's idea of justice, is just another form of violence. To quote Mahatma Gandhi:
Quote:"An-eye-for-an-eye-for-an-eye-for-an-eye ... ends in making everybody blind."


(January 13, 2012 at 7:46 pm)Chuck Wrote: If omniscient god's justice was an eye for an eye, one wonders why he wouldn't have stream lined the process and simply created 2 less eyes to start with.
Presents an amusing dilemma for theists doomed to ponder indefinitely why a god who would demand us to get on our knees in worship would bother giving us feet.

The problem is resolved when xtians admit God is as immoral as the tribal desert goat herders who created him. After all, a being who infinitely punishes for finite crimes is infinitely unjust.

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Gandhi was indicating that mercy should always temper justice.

He did not elaborate though on how much mercy.

To my mind, the victim who lost the first eye should be consulted as to what he thinks mercy is. Not the judge.

Justice thinks of the closure they need as well.

Regards
DL
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#12
RE: Is God’s justice close to an eye for an eye?
Mosaic Law has nothing to do with any alleged deity. The notion of "vengeful retribution" outlined in the Torah,comes from Hammurabi.

An eye for an eye:


Quote:The principle is found in Babylonian Law (see Code of Hammurabi) (1780 BCE).[4] It is surmised that in societies not bound by the rule of law, if a person was hurt, then the injured person (or their relative) would take vengeful retribution on the person who caused the injury. The retribution might be much worse than the crime, perhaps even death. Babylonian law put a limit on such actions, restricting the retribution to be no worse than the crime, as long as victim and offender occupied the same status in society, while punishments were less proportional with disputes between social strata: like blasphemy or laesa maiestatis (against a god, viz., monarch, even today in certain societies), crimes against one's social better were systematically punished as worse.


The full list of Hammurabi's laws are worth comparing with the 613 mitzvot of the Torah:

http://eawc.evansville.edu/anthology/hammurabi.htm
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RE: Is God’s justice close to an eye for an eye?
Yes, it does help us learn where they stole them from.
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RE: Is God’s justice close to an eye for an eye?
(January 15, 2012 at 7:34 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Yes, it does help us learn where they stole them from.

Perhaps to also realise that notions of justice are relative.One's views on justice are largely a matter of accident of birth.

More critically one needs to realise that 'justice' and 'law' are not now and have never been synonyms. Sometimes the two occur at the same time by happy accident, but not by design.

I formed this cynical opinion through long observation and by talking to a lot of (lawyers). Thinking
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RE: Is God’s justice close to an eye for an eye?
Quote:Perhaps to also realise that notions of justice are relative.One's views on justice are largely a matter of accident of birth.


Certainly explains how the allah freaks give rape victims a choice between marrying their rapists or going to jail.
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