Senators Drop Support for SOPA

[paintpooper]

http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/18/ron-pa...unce-sopa/

“My campaign, and the entire freedom movement, would not be as strong as they are today without a free Internet, and that’s just one of the reasons why the establishment hopes to censor it with SOPA and PIPA. I’m proud to see so many taking a stand today. Contact your representative and senators and tell them to oppose these disastrous bills.”
Ron Paul

He's batshit crazy why?

[Jaysyn]

http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/18/ron-pa...unce-sopa/

“My campaign, and the entire freedom movement, would not be as strong as they are today without a free Internet, and that’s just one of the reasons why the establishment hopes to censor it with SOPA and PIPA. I’m proud to see so many taking a stand today. Contact your representative and senators and tell them to oppose these disastrous bills.”
Ron Paul

He's batshit crazy why?

For his other views on reproductive rights, protecting the environment, protecting the disabled, protecting consumers, race relations & education for starters.

The list above doesn't leave a lot left, but everything else about his platform is pretty cool.

[paintpooper]

http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/18/ron-pa...unce-sopa/

“My campaign, and the entire freedom movement, would not be as strong as they are today without a free Internet, and that’s just one of the reasons why the establishment hopes to censor it with SOPA and PIPA. I’m proud to see so many taking a stand today. Contact your representative and senators and tell them to oppose these disastrous bills.”
Ron Paul

He's batshit crazy why?

For his other views on reproductive rights, protecting the environment, protecting the disabled, protecting consumers, race relations & education for starters.

The list above doesn't leave a lot left, but everything else about his platform is pretty cool.

Please extrapolate. Because that doesn't explain much to me.
Lets discuss the issues then.
Abortion.
He is Pro-life. I am pro-choice. He has never said he wants to make laws against it, or for it. He is against late term abortions though(as am I). He is a little flip floppy on the abortion issue, but I'm sure he has no intentions of making it illegal or legal. Why do you need so many laws basically..

Environment
In 2005, supported by Friends of the Earth, Paul cosponsored a bill preventing the U.S. from funding nuclear power plants in China.

He has voted against federal subsidies for the oil and gas industry, saying that without government subsidies to the oil and gas industries, alternative fuels would be more competitive with oil and gas and would come to market on a competitive basis sooner.

Paul is opposed to federal subsidies that favor certain technologies over others, such as ethanol from corn rather than sugarcane, and believes the market should decide which technologies are best and which will succeed in the end.

He believes that nuclear power is a clean and efficient potential alternative that could be used to power electric cars.

He believes that states should be able to decide whether to allow production of hemp, which can be used in producing sustainable biofuels, and has introduced bills into Congress to allow states to decide this issue; North Dakota, particularly, has built an ethanol plant with the ability to process hemp as biofuel and its farmers have been lobbying for the right to grow hemp for years.

Health.
While he does not like universal care, which I support he did say this.
Paul has said that although he prefers tax credits to socialized medicine, he would be willing to "prop up" the current systems of Medicare and Medicaid with money saved by bringing troops home from foreign bases in places such as those in South Korea.

Race.
Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans strictly as members of groups rather than individuals. Racists believe that all individuals who share superficial physical characteristics are alike: as collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups. By encouraging Americans to adopt a group mentality, the advocates of so-called "diversity" actually perpetuate racism. Their obsession with racial group identity is inherently racist.

Consumers.
You need to fix the money system first is his approach. We can have credit protection bureaus and all this other junk, but guess what the bottom line is.... we shouldn't even need a credit system, that is all we know though so we think it's normal, but to spend money we don't have.. is what I would call bat shit crazy.

Of course I don't agree with everything. No one ever can. But to say he is bat shit crazy is a little obtuse

I would call Guantanamo Bay, killing civilians, assassinating American citizens, and invading sovereign countries bat shit crazy. But thats just me lol.

[Jaysyn]

Ron Paul on the environment - from his website:

1.) Remove restrictions on drilling, so companies can tap into the vast amount of oil we have here at home.

2.) Repeal the federal tax on gasoline. Eliminating the federal gas tax would result in an 18 cents savings per gallon for American consumers.

3.) Lift government roadblocks to the use of coal and nuclear power.

4.) Eliminate the ineffective EPA. Polluters should answer directly to property owners in court for the damages they create - not to Washington.

1.) Would eventually wreck wherever they were drilling or digging. That's how it went before we started putting up environment protections. There is no reason to think that companies wouldn't revert back to whatever was the cheapest way to do things even if they are the dirtiest.

2.) A stopgap at best. Hope you like really crappy highways.

3.) Roadblocks being things that protect the environment from pollution. I could get behind more safe nuclear power plants though.

4.) This is the most laughable. He thinks it's a good idea to pit small landowners against mega corporations. You know the ones that can (& will) stretch out the legal proceedings until you die or run out of money.


Ron Paul on abortion:

"“I talk a lot about right-to-life,” said Paul, who called it “the most important issue of our age.”"

The fact is, however, that most anti-drug laws and most drug law enforcement happens on the state level, and the President Paul won’t be able to repeal federal drug legislation without backing from Congress, which won’t happen. Like any president, President Paul will need to work with members of Congress and will need to set priorities. The abortion-banning movement clearly has a lot of support in Congress, and I think we should take Paul at his word that his top priority as president will be to work with those forces to try to ban abortions.

I think that's all that needs to be said there.

Consumer Protection has less to do with the economy & more to do with poison baby formula, rancid drywall & lead based toys from China. That is the free market at work (just like the 1800's!) Uncle Ron is way cool with all this because he thinks individual consumers should just sue the companies in question. Nevermind the fact that they are in a different country & now under a new name. We are supposed to be able keep tabs on all that.

I'm not going to get into race or healthcare because it appears Dr. Paul has learned a bit from his past blunders in those departments. Maybe you can teach an old dog new tricks?

[Autumnlicious]

Also, Ron Paul reintroduced the Sanctity of Life Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctity_of_Life_Act).

Face it Paintpooper, Ron Paul likes to stand tall and mighty about no government interference but when it comes to his passions and religious beliefs, he'll gladly pass laws crafted for his anti-abortion views.

[5thHorseman]

Also, Ron Paul reintroduced the Sanctity of Life Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctity_of_Life_Act).

Face it Paintpooper, Ron Paul likes to stand tall and mighty about no government interference but when it comes to his passions and religious beliefs, he'll gladly pass laws crafted for his anti-abortion views.

Freedom for all as long as you do as he says.

[paintpooper]

I already read that and noted it in my post. And I do not agree with it, or his religious views. We will never have an atheist candidate.
(2) the Congress recognizes that each State has the authority to protect lives of unborn children residing in the jurisdiction of that State.
It does not ban abortion or anything, just states that a human is a human at conception(I don't agree with that), and that states can decide. Which I really don't agree with either. There should be no laws for or against abortion, as long as women and doctors are willing to do it then it will keep happening. Not that it is right, but you cant make laws banning it. Just like drugs, or race. You can make a law banning discrimination of black people but really.... what does it do? Not much IMO. Just because a piece of paper says you have to give equal preference does not mean the hiring manager is not a racist. I have seen it happen, we have all these anti-discrimination laws, but it is very very hard to prove someone was being discriminatory, so have all the laws you want, they won't change people.

Can we all agree that abortion is bad. Yes it is killing in a way. Should it not happen? Of course it should never happen. We don't talk about the correct issues. The issue at hand is how to prevent women from seeking an abortion. IMO one should never get pregnant without planning on taking it to term, but life is not perfect, so abortions do happen. And sometimes they need too.

Haha freedom for all as long as you do as he says???? Yeah he is such a strong-arm guy like that. Look at our current and past presidents, give me a break about freedoms, you think Ron will take away freedoms, look at what they have already done, and currently doing. So if you want to talk about freedoms talk about the freedoms we have already have had taken away. I can't get on a plane without getting raped. Yes so much freedom. The law he proposed only classifies a unborn child as a human, it does not really reduce "freedom".

And about the environment... you misconstrued the information. Its not like all the things would happen in one day. Its not like it would be just a big free for all.
But hey if it is, the anarchist here would love that.

Ok so you all want to bash Ron Paul.... Who's your candidate then? Obama? Hahahahahahahahaha Yeah we all see how that worked out. This is a chance to change the country, You will all see one day.

[Minimalist]

Can we all agree that abortion is bad.

Absolutely not.

[Jaysyn]

And about the environment... you misconstrued the information.

I did no such thing. That is directly from his website.

Even if he did shutter the EPA, which I think is actually in a president's power to do since the EPA was created via executive order & not legislation, you'd just have a state equivalent opening up for each state in the USA. By doing so you just make it easier for localized regulatory capture to occur.

And there is really no need to get upset, I almost want him to win the presidency to see what kind of chaos ensues. The sad fact is you cannot trust a powerful "true-believer" Christian to do the right thing when their Bible is telling them to do the wrong thing.

[paintpooper]

Can we all agree that abortion is bad.

Absolutely not.

Why not? It's morally wrong, it is terminating "life" of a fetus.
While I don't care what people do, it is certainly not a "good" thing to be really prevalent in society because if you have rampant abortion you have the bigger issue of why so many abortions, and thats the problem that should be fixed. Our government is a band-aid dispenser, they lack the will to fix problems.

He is the ONLY anti-war candidate. And while I think he is misinformed for not accepting evolution and being a christian, that does not make his other points and ideas moot.(He is still a politician after all)
If I like to shove candy bars up my butt, but I can fix the country, does it really matter I have an anal fixation with candy bars?

I work for my state's "EPA" department, we already have them.