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RE: Ron Paul might have the most delegates?
February 11, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Some "democratic process" eh?
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RE: Ron Paul might have the most delegates?
February 11, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Exactly my point! This shouldn't be about what some candidate is doing; it should be about the bigger picture...the fact that the entire process is fucked up!
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RE: Ron Paul might have the most delegates?
February 11, 2012 at 1:51 pm
Everyone is aware the process is jacked. But ignoring the short term because the long term appears fucked is not an answer. In fact, it's part of the problem.
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RE: Ron Paul might have the most delegates?
February 11, 2012 at 1:57 pm
So start educating people about caucuses then. Tell them that they can't just show up and vote, they have to stay to the end to make sure their delegates are fairly elected.
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RE: Ron Paul might have the most delegates?
February 11, 2012 at 1:58 pm
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(February 11, 2012 at 1:49 pm)Tiberius Wrote: Exactly my point! This shouldn't be about what some candidate is doing; it should be about the bigger picture...the fact that the entire process is fucked up!
It shouldn't? Even if this candidate is a clear example of exactly why the process is fucked up? Agree to disagree?, lol. Definitely should have more education with regards to how our process works. Perhaps even make the process simpler, eliminate these little areas and loopholes.
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RE: Ron Paul might have the most delegates?
February 11, 2012 at 2:04 pm
(February 11, 2012 at 1:24 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: What is Ron Paul, anyway? Paleoconservative? He endorsed the Constitution Party candidate last presidential election cycle, I think that's a better fit for him. They just didn't exist yet when he was running for prez under the LP ticket.
I've been very disappointed in the Constitution Party's inability to siphon off the conspiracy theorists and anti-immigrant types from the LP.
Im not suprised one bit. You cant get anymore nuttier and right wing than the constitution party. I also agree, from what I have learned of Ron Paul, he isnt as much a libertarian to me than he is a right right RIGHT winger. (I consider Penn Jillette To prety much represent what a mainstrem Libertarian is).
For those ron Paul supporters on this Forum who keep telling me to "wake up" and vote for Ron Paul, that he is a secularist.
The thing is, the constitution is THE most extreme right wing party for evangelicals. Check out their party platform:
http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php
Abortion:
Quote:We affirm the God-given legal personhood of all unborn human beings, without exception. As to matters of rape and incest, it is unconscionable to take the life of an innocent child for the crimes of his father.
Education:
Quote:All teaching is related to basic assumptions about God and man. Education as a whole, therefore, cannot be separated from religious faith. The law of our Creator assigns the authority and responsibility of educating children to their parents. Education should be free from all federal government subsidies, including vouchers, tax incentives, and loans, except with respect to veterans.
Invironment conspiracy theorists:
Quote:In keeping with this requirement, we wholeheartedly support realistic efforts to preserve the environment and reduce pollution - air, water, and land. We reject, however, the argument of the perceived threat of man-made global warming which has been refuted by a large number of scientists. The globalists are using the global warming threat to gain more control via worldwide sustainable development.
They are so extremist, they dont even care if they contradict themselves:
Quote:We oppose the provision of welfare subsidies and other taxpayer-supported benefits to illegal aliens, and reject the practice of bestowing U.S. citizenship on children born to illegal alien parents while in this country.
So they "affirm the God-given legal personhood of all unborn human beings, without exception." and they "reject the practice of bestowing U.S. citizenship on children born to illegal alien parents while in this country."
So which one is it? Is the baby legal or not?
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RE: Ron Paul might have the most delegates?
February 11, 2012 at 2:07 pm
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Worldwide sustainable development? Run for the hills, that sounds fucking terrible, where can I volunteer to fight such a great evil? 
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RE: Ron Paul might have the most delegates?
February 11, 2012 at 2:10 pm
(February 11, 2012 at 1:17 pm)Tiberius Wrote: I think you misunderstand me. I can't complain if someone is using the system in a way that it allows; that would be fruitless.
Wait...wait wait wait...
Lets talk about a fruitless discussion.
You cant vote for Ron Paul... so why even bother answering OUR complaints?
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RE: Ron Paul might have the most delegates?
February 11, 2012 at 2:15 pm
American Libertarianism is incredibly right-wing. Historically, libertarianism is much closer to syndicalism than anything else - but the term developed entirely differently in the US. Here, libertarianism is as close to extreme right-wing as you can get on fiscal issues.
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RE: Ron Paul might have the most delegates?
February 11, 2012 at 2:16 pm
(February 11, 2012 at 1:46 pm)Tiberius Wrote: This is a democratic process. Anyone can stay behind and elect the delegates in, but they don't. What people at caucuses (and you guys apparently) don't understand is that the individual voting at the start of a caucus doesn't mean anything; you can think of it as simply a census to see where people's loyalties lie.
You guys? Why would I go and register to be a Republican and hang around and vote for a right winger?
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