Christianity and the 10 Commandments

[Zen Badger]

You know ...I really LOVE these idiots Zen.... they make me feel quite knowledgeable

Babe, they make Amoeba appear knowledgeable by comparison.

[chi pan]

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. Next thought. If the earth is billions of years old, you get the same K-Ar you get if the earth is 6,000 years (4-5Billion) and you shouldn't get a C-14 at all, yet you do. All traces of C-14 should be gone. Yet not only is there enough C-14 to date, but it happens to come out to the near exact age the Bible implies the earth is. Do you think that's mere coincidence?

Dear oh dear, it really is rather sad that we have to teach you basic science before we can even start to have an intelligent conversation.

New Carbon 14 is produced every damn day when nitrogen atoms in the upper atmosphere are struck by cosmic rays.

It is an unstable(radiactive) isotope that decays to normal Carbon 12 with a half life of 5730 years.

Chemically it is the same as C12 and is therefore absorbed by plants and in turn ingested by animals.

The ratio of C14 to C12 stays pretty much the same during the lifetime of an organism due to normal bodily functions.

It is only when it dies and new carbon is no longer being ingested that the ratio starts to change as the C14 decays to C12.

That ratio is what Scientists measure to determine the age of a dead organism.

And if you had done some REAL research into the subject instead of just mindlessly regurgitating the mental diarrhoea that the disingenuous liars for jesus have tipped in your ear you would've known that.

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From that logic, I conclude the astronomers are ignorant in saying that the universe is 14 billion years old. How do they come up with that number? It can't be because the observable universe is 45 billion lightyears away from us.

They don't say 14 billion. Some may round it off to 14 billion but most don't. The age of the universe to 4 significant figures is known to be 13.72 billion years. The value calculated from the Hubble constant (which isn't exactly constant) is 20 billion years. Since that value was first calculated there have been many advances that refined the value to 13.72. I suggest you get your mommy to get a good book on the age of the universe and read it to you.

I very well know that I was rounding. I didn't know the exact decamal so I rounded does it really make a difference? My arguement still stands.

The simple fact that we can see galaxies millions of light years distant proves that the universe is NOT 6000 years old.

Or do I have to teach you basic astronomy as well?

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Then tell me how we can see 45 billion light years away whe the universe is supposedly 13.72 billion years old?

[Zen Badger]

The age of the universe is about 13.75 billion years, but due to the expansion of space we are observing objects that were originally much closer but are now considerably farther away (as defined in terms of cosmological proper distance, which is equal to the comoving distance at the present time) than a static 13.75 billion light-years distance.[2] The diameter of the observable universe is estimated to be about 28 billion parsecs (93 billion light-years),[3] putting the edge of the observable universe at about 46–47 billion light-years away.[4][5]

(taken from http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&...jbT7Xi65TQ )

Next question?

Since you are clearly either too lazy or too stupid to find the answers yourself.

P.s nothing else to say on carbon 14?

[Phil]

Then tell me how we can see 45 billion light years away whe the universe is supposedly 13.72 billion years old?

Take your pick and have mommy read it to you.

[Faith No More]

So pretty much everyone who does not accept we came from apes who came from whatever was before that (which btw I don't know what's before apes) and so on are ignorant. Those who don't accept truth of history that is constantly changing over time are ignorant. As well as those who believed evolution as it was that has now been proved wrong. And I'm sure later on many theories today about evolution will be proved wrong as well and you will be considered ignorant BUT remember, right not you're not. My mind is open to many things but I understand the limitations of science. I also understand the difference between science and history which evolutionists fail to understand. Because I don't except their history story of times that were prehistoric means I'm ignorant? I believe you are mistaken.

This type of nonsensical drivel is precisely why you get snarky, sarcastic replies.

[chi pan]

Ok so according to the source we can observe what is known as the observable universe because "it has had time to reach us." so it has had 45 billion years to reach us? That's inconsistent.
And one more thing. I would appreciate some respect for this discussion. I don't call all of you idiots when you get a bible or scientific fact wrong. I expect the same curtisy.

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So pretty much everyone who does not accept we came from apes who came from whatever was before that (which btw I don't know what's before apes) and so on are ignorant. Those who don't accept truth of history that is constantly changing over time are ignorant. As well as those who believed evolution as it was that has now been proved wrong. And I'm sure later on many theories today about evolution will be proved wrong as well and you will be considered ignorant BUT remember, right not you're not. My mind is open to many things but I understand the limitations of science. I also understand the difference between science and history which evolutionists fail to understand. Because I don't except their history story of times that were prehistoric means I'm ignorant? I believe you are mistaken.

This type of nonsensical drivel is precisely why you get snarky, sarcastic replies.

Why? Is it not true? Oh and I meant right now where I said right not you're not.

[Phil]

Ok so according to the source we can observe what is known as the observable universe because "it has had time to reach us." so it has had 45 billion years to reach us? That's inconsistent.

I never met a Pan Troglodyte that could read and judging by your response, you tried and failed. As I keep telling you, let your mommy read it to you.

[Faith No More]

Why? Is it not true?

The truth of your paragraph is lacking, but that's not the issue. The issue is your thoughts are incoherent, sloppy regurgitations of YEC arguments, and your sentences devolve into the nonsensical. It get the feeling when I read your posts that your desperately trying to repeat what your pastor told you earlier.

Come up with an articulate, well thought argument that doesn't come only from the bible

[Zen Badger]

Ok so according to the source we can observe what is known as the observable universe because "it has had time to reach us." so it has had 45 billion years to reach us? That's inconsistent.

You also appear to have problems with basic comprehension, the article quite clearly says that the universe appears to us now as it was 13.75 billion years ago.It has expanded since then. Or have you forgotten that it takes time for light to reach us?

And one more thing. I would appreciate some respect for this discussion. I don't call all of you idiots when you get a bible or scientific fact wrong. I expect the same curtisy.

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Since you have absolutely no knowledge of the subject and you refuse to learn anything about it (preferring to spew out creationist lies and distortions) respect will be very hard to come by here grasshopper.

[chi pan]

Ok so according to the source we can observe what is known as the observable universe because "it has had time to reach us." so it has had 45 billion years to reach us? That's inconsistent.

I never met a Pan Troglodyte that could read and judging by your response, you tried and failed. As I keep telling you, let your mommy read it to you.

Oh it doesn't say that? Oh I guess the fist sentence doesn't count.. Read it yourself and see what it says. Those exact words are in there.