Whats even attractive about Christianity anyway that people want to stay in ignorance

[The Grand Nudger]

Your grandfather probably deserves more credit for the attributes that made such an impression on you than any inspiration by faith.

[Undeceived]

[The Grand Nudger]

Man, the timespan just keeps getting pushed farther back doesn't it, 5 years is the claim now? In 5 years you'll be claiming that christianity was huge 3 years before the supposed birth of christ, and if that weren't proof of god, then fuck me, I don't know what would be.

[Neo-Scholastic]

As human being I like to love and be loved. As a Christian I want to be closer to the source of Love-Itself. I find that study and prayer cultivates my receptiveness to that love. That is not the way for everyone. Some Christians focus of community and fellowship, for example. Not all people who study and pray are receptive. Some who neither study nor pray are still receptive to that love. I'm not implying that only believers are receptive to divine lone. I suspect that many accept it without knowing where Love-itself comes from.

[Undeceived]

Man, the timespan just keeps getting pushed farther back doesn't it, 5 years is the claim now? In 5 years you'll be claiming that christianity was huge 3 years before the supposed birth of christ, and if that weren't proof of god, then fuck me, I don't know what would be.

From my above link:

If we assume the earliest date for the crucifixion as A.D. 30, then Paul’s conversion would be placed at about A.D. 32. His first meeting with the Apostles at Jerusalem can then be placed at A.D. 35. So we can place the dating of the 1 Corinthians 15 material as already established and formulated doctrines of the early Church to within 5 years of the crucifixion – far too fast to be Legendary additions of any sort.

To say this interpretation is wrong would be to assume the writer of Acts (Luke) was clever enough to fabricate his whole book completely while fitting it into accounts of early church history that weren't even written yet. And the real Paul would have to be privy to this, allowing Luke to make up stories about him while he penned phantom letters to imaginary churches.

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The dating of 1 Corinthians, from wikipedia:

The epistle was written from Ephesus (Acts 16:8), a city on the west coast of today's Turkey, about 180 miles by sea from Corinth. According to Acts of the Apostles, Paul founded the church in Corinth (Acts 18:1-17), then spent approximately three years in Ephesus (Acts 19:8, 19:10, 20:31). The letter was written during this time in Ephesus, which is usually dated as being in the range of 53 to 57 AD. In 16:8 Paul declares his intention of staying in Ephesus until Pentecost. This statement, in turn, is clearly reminiscent of Paul's Second Missionary Journey, when Paul travelled from Corinth to Ephesus, before going to Jerusalem for Pentecost (cf. Acts 18:22). Thus, it is possible that I Corinthians was written during Paul's first (brief) stay in Ephesus, at the end of his Second Journey, usually dated to early 54 AD. However, it is more likely that it was written during his extended stay in Ephesus, where he refers to sending Timothy to them (Acts 19:22, I Cor. 4:17). Also, his references to Apollos (1:12, 3:4, etc.) show that Apollos was known to Paul and the church at the time of writing, which would preclude the first recorded visit to Ephesus (See Acts 18:24-28).

[The Grand Nudger]

You know what they say about assumptions UD.

[Neo-Scholastic]

UD is talking about the assumptions of non-believers, Rhythm. You have not refuted UD's claim.

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UD, you cannot establish the date 1 Corinthians 15 was written. Paul could have written that much later.

[The Grand Nudger]

I don't have to refute shit Chad, his claim, his burden, not mine. I'm just mentioning that I don't find his claims very convincing.

[Neo-Scholastic]

UD has fulfilled his obligation of presenting evidence. He claimed 5 years. You said prove it, so he offered up textual evidence. So the ball was in your court. BTW you should thank me for refuting his claim for you. Geez.

[The Grand Nudger]

Not to my satisfaction he hasn't, it's not like we haven't heard these claims before Chad, more than once, more than twice, more than a dozen times. Stick around. I'll thank you for "refuting his claim" when he admits that you have, which he won't. You couldn't refute his claim if you wanted to anyway, how does one "refute" a fairy tale? That being said, I;m sick and tired of the "meteoric rise of christianity" line of apologetic trash. Cargo cults arose even faster and we don't see any of the faithful doubting their own claims in that case, even though we thankfully have excellent documentation of this phenomena that completely demolishes each and every claim a cargo cult made. (Mostly since they thought we and our aircraft and ships were fucking gods)

(I don't remember asking him anything btw..lol, maybe read my post again?)