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RE: Whats even attractive about Christianity anyway that people want to stay in ignorance
March 2, 2012 at 11:30 am
(February 24, 2012 at 2:09 pm)Xavier Wrote: Going to church always bored me to death as a child.
The sermons are normally boring and hymns suck. Couldn't they play some more exciting music?
Also the image of the God that the Bible portrays is that of a bloodthirsty and vain maniac not a loving god.
I can't imagine why you's really want that God to be true.
I can understand why someone would want to believe in a religion like Norse Paganism where the gods are kind of cool characters and Valhalla is a cool place where you just drink and party with hot chicks all the time.
The Christian heaven would suck anyway though as the religion is completely ascetic in things pleasurable.
I just don't see what anyone finds appealing about Christianity.
Christianity appeals to me because I want to be saved - that's just about it. Also, the stuff about boring music and rituals and sermons don't actually matter, all you have to do is follow Jesus and love your neighbor, your God, and yourself.
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RE: Whats even attractive about Christianity anyway that people want to stay in ignorance
March 2, 2012 at 11:38 am
(March 2, 2012 at 11:30 am)CriticalThinker Wrote: Christianity appeals to me because I want to be saved
'Saved' from what?
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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RE: Whats even attractive about Christianity anyway that people want to stay in ignorance
March 2, 2012 at 11:46 am
From whom are you to be saved..lol.
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RE: Whats even attractive about Christianity anyway that people want to stay in ignorance
March 2, 2012 at 11:53 am
(March 2, 2012 at 11:30 am)CriticalThinker Wrote: Christianity appeals to me because I want to be saved - that's just about it. Also, the stuff about boring music and rituals and sermons don't actually matter, all you have to do is follow Jesus and love your neighbor, your God, and yourself.
By "I want to be saved" you of course must mean, "I don't want to die". That's what you mean right? Follow Jesus and you are granted eternal life right? But aside from the fact that all religion is fairly falsifiable, what makes you so sure that, assuming there is a God, you've chosen the right one? Allah will give you eternal life too. What makes Jesus a better choice other that the fact that you've been more exposed to the Christian faith more than the Islamic one?
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RE: Whats even attractive about Christianity anyway that people want to stay in ignorance
March 2, 2012 at 3:53 pm
CriticalThinker Wrote:Christianity appeals to me because I want to be saved - that's just about it.
Sounds like you have less of a religion and more of a friend with benefits.
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RE: Whats even attractive about Christianity anyway that people want to stay in ignorance
March 2, 2012 at 3:54 pm
(March 2, 2012 at 11:53 am)picto90 Wrote: (March 2, 2012 at 11:30 am)CriticalThinker Wrote: Christianity appeals to me because I want to be saved - that's just about it. Also, the stuff about boring music and rituals and sermons don't actually matter, all you have to do is follow Jesus and love your neighbor, your God, and yourself.
By "I want to be saved" you of course must mean, "I don't want to die". That's what you mean right? Follow Jesus and you are granted eternal life right? But aside from the fact that all religion is fairly falsifiable, what makes you so sure that, assuming there is a God, you've chosen the right one? Allah will give you eternal life too. What makes Jesus a better choice other that the fact that you've been more exposed to the Christian faith more than the Islamic one?
What if Odin is the real god and the Vikings were his chosen people, and everyone today is going to hell as they have rejected him? 
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RE: Whats even attractive about Christianity anyway that people want to stay in ignorance
March 2, 2012 at 4:23 pm
(March 2, 2012 at 3:54 pm)Xavier Wrote: What if Odin is the real god and the Vikings were his chosen people, and everyone today is going to hell as they have rejected him?
Equally as plausible as any God in existence today.
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RE: Whats even attractive about Christianity anyway that people want to stay in ignorance
March 2, 2012 at 7:13 pm
(This post was last modified: March 2, 2012 at 7:17 pm by Neo-Scholastic.)
(March 1, 2012 at 9:58 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Quote:I mean the ruins of the Jerusalem temple are still there for all to see. So at least that part about a temple is true. Meaning it's not ALL fiction.
The ruins of the Jerusalem Temple are from Herod the Great's building project. I defy you to produce a single artifact from the alleged "solomonic temple" anywhere.
I don't remember saying anything about Solomon.
Critical thinker, so basically you're saying you what a fire insurance policy. What about selecting a path that you feel will bring you into closer communion with God and your fellow human beings? Isn't that a better reason than having a get-out-of-hell-free card in your wallet?
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RE: Whats even attractive about Christianity anyway that people want to stay in ignorance
March 2, 2012 at 7:24 pm
(March 1, 2012 at 9:24 pm)picto90 Wrote: (March 1, 2012 at 8:12 pm)Undeceived Wrote: The Bible has additional evidence supporting it, such as archaeology, historical documents, and the fact that we know it was written by multiple authors within a couple years of the events and hasn't changed since. Within 5 years of Jesus' death, Christianity exploded. Don't you think people 5 years within the fact would know if the claims were bogus? The claims I'm speaking of are Jesus' death and resurrection. God knew people would have a hard time accepting him on words alone, so he arranged actual recordable events. In addition to the evidence, we have the Holy Spirit. When we finally see the light, something clicks in the brain and it all becomes crystal clear. At that point Jesus is more real than anything else, and we know the truth. The process is not only intellectual but spiritual too. Why are people so moved to give their lives as missionaries overseas? Because they are positive of the truth. Muslims, Mormons and members of other fake religions are driven by fear. They only tell people about "God" or follow customs because they might end up in hell if they don't. Christianity is driven by love. Christians know they are already saved; they don't have to do anything. Any actions are a reaction to God's gift to them--eternal life and forgiveness for all their wrongdoings. Once we've determined in our hearts and minds that the Bible is divinely inspired, then we can use it to shape our lives. Christians don't need to read the Bible to learn God is good. They read it because He is good.
Links regarding the Bible's validity:
http://www.millennialstar.org/the-case-f...scripture/
http://www.millennialstar.org/the-case-f...evidences/
First, thank you for the links, it's always nice to be given an answer other than "I have faith", and it is much appreciated. However, I simply can't accept your argument that the fact that the bible has multiple authors, increases the likeliness of the books validity. In fact, I believe this is it's downfall, as it seems that none of these authors seem to agree on anything. Which is kind of strange if it only happened a few years prior to writing. One of densest areas of contradictions is found in the first half of the new testament, including the books, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.
Links regarding the many contradictions in the bible.
http://www.thealmightyguru.com/Atheism/I...roject.png
Many people try to find inconsistencies in the bible but don't take into account the context, culture, and original language. This is my counter.
http://sethdavidmiller.com/2011/03/01/ht...oject-png/
Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
-4th verse of the american national anthem
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RE: Whats even attractive about Christianity anyway that people want to stay in ignorance
March 2, 2012 at 7:31 pm
Titus 1:12 "One of Crete’s own prophets has said it: Cretans are always liars." I think that qualifies as a contradiction.
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