Abstaining from Vaccination should NOT be a right

[frankiej]

I do like the badge idea

[Shell B]

Yeah, and when the zombie apocalypse comes, we know which zombie should really be dispatched from a long way away.

Seriously, badges? Fucking badges? If you make people who don't have vaccines wear badges, then it only logically follows that you make people with contagious diseases wear badges. I, for one, would feel very fucking uncomfortable about making people wear anything of the sort. Communicable diseases are a part of being human. Tough titty.

Wash your hands a lot, avoid people who are coughing and don't drink after other people. You'll be fine.

[The Grand Nudger]

No badges no deal.

I understand your POV on this one. I could imagine eventualities or possibilities all day that would end up twisting litigation into knots on this issue though.

If we're going to call this one a right, then there's no harm in seeing how far you can take this right before you're infringing upon someone else's rights. If one wishes to forego vaccination, and they wish to keep this private, is there any situation that you could conceive of that they would have to bend on this issue in the face of the rights of others, such as the right to health? There has to be some situation or circumstance in which this information becomes public domain. Ergo the big red letters, somewhere, by any other name.

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Wouldn't you agree that a person with a communicable disease such as, oh, IDK, AIDS, has an obligation to inform at least someone of their condition. Especially one specific type of someone?

[Shell B]

I understand your POV on this one. I could imagine eventualities or possibilities all day that would end up twisting litigation into knots on this issue though.

It's a complex issue, sure.

If we're going to call this one a right, then there's no harm in seeing how far you can take this right before you're infringing upon someone else's rights.

Kind of like abortion, huh? Pro-choice, but if the baby gets born, we make it get shots?

If one wishes to forego vaccination, and they wish to keep this private, is there any situation that you could conceive of that they would have to bend on this issue in the face of the rights of others, such as the right to health?

No. *giggles* There is no "right to health." You have a societal and self-given right to do what you want with your body. However, even society doesn't give you a "right to health." It's up to you to use sanitary measures to keep yourself as safe as possible. That is your problem. My body is my problem, etc.

There has to be some situation or circumstance in which this information becomes public domain. Ergo the big red letters, somewhere, by any other name.

Oh, hell no. Medical records of living individuals in the public domain without consent? No, no, no. Carry around a bottle of hand sanitizer and wear a face mask, dude.

[The Grand Nudger]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_health

Seems that some people think there is, at least as many people that believe they should have a right to forgo vaccinations. How are we to decide which of these two are talking out of their ass, or both, or neither?
(and if neither, then how do we define the limits of these two positions in relation to each other?)

We've been through this before, you say wash your hands and cover your mouth and I remind you that the Flu, of all things, likely crossed over from cattle.

[Shell B]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_health

Seems that some people think there is, at least as many people that believe they should have a right to forgo vaccinations. How are we to decide which of these two are talking out of their ass, or both, or neither?

I would imagine it is the side that makes up an imaginary right to health in order to decide when they can tell someone what to do with their bodies. The very inconsistency of such a thing with pro-choice and consent is so fucking obvious as to be a slap in the face.

We've been through this before, you say wash your hands and cover your mouth and I remind you that the Flu, of all things, likely crossed over from cattle.

Yes, and I can say, when I remind you to wash your hands and cover your face, I mean do it after and while you fuck your cow too.

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Wouldn't you agree that a person with a communicable disease such as, oh, IDK, AIDS, has an obligation to inform at least someone of their condition. Especially one specific type of someone?

That is entirely different. In that situation, two adults are agreeing to exchange bodily fluids. This is almost guaranteed to result in transmission of the virus if precautions are not taken. However, I would not expect anyone to just tell me they have AIDS for my benefit. It's none of my fucking business, unless I plan on swearing a blood oath or having sex with you. So, the one specific someone, yes. The former, absolutely fucking not. It's none of your business if Tommy or Tammy up the street has AIDS. Absolutely none of your business.

[The Grand Nudger]

Right, but now your telling me I have to wash my hands after I fuck my cow? Who are you to tell me what to do with my body? It's not like I'm going to catch anything from the cow, and whatever I could catch isn't likely to become a big deal for everyone. Where do you get off?

RE AIDS, excellent, so, if there is specific situation where communicability is a very high probability, and two adults (with consent) engaging in an activity together, then disclosure should be made. Now, the people at the Applebees meet all of these requirements if we exchange aids for airborne virus. These is the situation that vaccination programs attempt to prevent. Let's imagine the worst, we have a sudden, serious outbreak of a modified form of some otherwise vaccinated for pathogen. Are the un-vaccinated now obligated to disclose any information?

[Shell B]

Right, but now your telling me I have to wash my hands after I fuck my cow? Who are you to tell me what to do with my body? It's not like I'm going to catch anything from the cow, and whatever I could catch isn't likely to become a big deal for everyone. Where do you get off?

Ah, here's the rub. I didn't tell you you have to do anything. Do whatever you want to do with your hands. However, if you're concerned about catching a disease, I suggest you wash them. Do you see the difference between what you are suggesting and what I am suggesting? What I am suggesting is individual responsibility for their own body.

[The Grand Nudger]

Let's say that through my refusal to wash my hands (while fucking my cow), despite all of the information you may provide me with, I become the Typhoid Mary of the 21st century. Are we going to be looking at civil or criminal charges?

[Shell B]

Let's say that through my refusal to wash my hands (while fucking my cow), despite all of the information you may provide me with, I become the Typhoid Mary of the 21st century. Are we going to be looking at civil or criminal charges?

You have to wash your hands and wear gloves in a restaurant. You would be violating codes if you did not. If you did, there is no way you would become Typhoid Mary. If you did not, you could be sued for not following safety precautions that are in place for such things.

On a side note, this hypothetical cow might be offended that we are talking about her like some diseased whore.