The abuse Christians have to face

[The Grand Nudger]

I don't expect you'd find a seat at any of our home-grown bible thumping baptist's tables. A: you're the wrong shade of lipstick, B: you're probably a muslim (whether or not you are is irrelevant, see A)

Honestly, you should be rooting for our fundies at every turn, nothing will completely destroy america (and with it any ally who depends upon us) quite so fast as if those d-bags get what they want.

[kılıç_mehmet]

Well, things are as always, quite different in America than anywhere else in the world.
They are nowhere in the extremes.
They don't ignore him, nor try to kill him.
But sending e-mails..Well, it's not worth the effort, and it's probably not worth ignoring him altogether either.

Yes, but you don't see atheists sending hate mail to the hundreds of thousands of Pastors, Priests and Ministers expressing there opinion. Is it too much to ask that atheists are allowed to express their opinion without getting shot down?

Well, hate mails, in my opinion, are opinions.
Bullets are bullets.
And well, I see this forum. This thread, for example, refers in a very general tone to christians being intolerant of others, and try to outyell their opponents in a discussion.
In this forum, I see a lot of people who care more about christians, than christianity itself, or anything related to theology.

I don't expect you'd find a seat at any of our home-grown bible thumping baptist's tables. A: you're the wrong shade of lipstick, B: you're probably a muslim (whether or not you are is irrelevant, see A)

Honestly, you should be rooting for our fundies at every turn, nothing will completely destroy america (and with it any ally who depends upon us) quite so fast as if those d-bags get what they want.

Either you're exaggarating, or I'm getting the wrong impression about America from your movies and from what I hear of friends.
Besides, what is it that they want that will destroy you?
Besides, I had lived in a christian majority country.
Just like you do.

[The Grand Nudger]

Why is it always about our movies? Movies are fantasy, we like to imagine that we are better than we actually are, just like everyone else.

I do live in a christian majority country, with a whole slew of laws restricting what that christian majority can or cannot visit upon the rest of us. This is what they would like to change, and this is what would destroy our country, don't pretend to be so dense (I don't buy it).

[kılıç_mehmet]

Why is it always about our movies? Movies are fantasy, we like to imagine that we are better than we actually are, just like everyone else.

Movies are fantasy, perhaps. But they air abroads, meaning, they do represent your country in some way. Just like your video clips, songs, and etc.
They say in Turkey that American parents supposedly allow their daughters to sleep with others as soon as they reach the age of 14.
And they don't really care, and even get their daughters birth control pills and etc.
Don't know how much of it is true, but that's the impression that the people over here get from various American movies. No offense, I don't try to insult your daughters or something. Just bringing forward a rumor that circulates in our general area(Balkans&middle east&Caucaus etc.).

I do live in a christian majority country, with a whole slew of laws restricting what that christian majority can or cannot visit upon the rest of us. This is what they would like to change, and this is what would destroy our country, don't pretend to be so dense (I don't buy it).

Well, WHAT can they do?
WHAT can they do the most?

[The Grand Nudger]

Movies are fantasy, perhaps. But they air abroads, meaning, they do represent your country in some way. Just like your video clips, songs, and etc.
They say in Turkey that American parents supposedly allow their daughters to sleep with others as soon as they reach the age of 14.
And they don't really care, and even get their daughters birth control pills and etc.
Don't know how much of it is true, but that's the impression that the people over here get from various American movies. No offense, I don't try to insult your daughters or something. Just bringing forward a rumor that circulates in our general area(Balkans&middle east&Caucaus etc.).

Allow isn't exactly the word for what you're describing..lol. Ask her father.

Well, WHAT can they do?
WHAT can they do the most?

Very little, thankfully, unless they get rid of those laws, and then, whatever the fuck they want (which is why they want to get rid of those laws). Again, I don't buy this shit, show some self respect.

[kılıç_mehmet]

Allow isn't exactly the word for what you're describing..lol. Ask her father.

Well, here, people would lock their daughters up for certain if they knew that she were doing around with other men.

Very little, thankfully, unless they get rid of those laws, and then, whatever the fuck that want (which is why they want to get rid of those laws). Again, I don't buy this shit, show some self respect.

Well, let's say they do. They can't get rid of the constitution.

[The Grand Nudger]

That's exactly what fathers do here, if they're so inclined Mehmet.

They don't have to get rid of the Constitution Mehm, they don't even have to rewrite it, just re-interpret it, which is exactly what they are doing. I won't continue having this discussion with you unless you drop this pretense of ignorance. You're well educated (presumably), you have access to the internet (presumably). Just stop.

[Anomalocaris]

I think we should proactively spare the whinning Christians the sin of lying by actually abusing them in a way worth complaining about.

[NoMoreFaith]

European Christians and Atheists do tend to be far more relaxed.

However, it definitely appears that many of the states in the USA are getting beyond retarded.

This advert was banned from being published on buses for being too controversial.

Saw on Pharyngula blog.

Makes me realise how lucky we are very few people took exception the UK bus advertisements which stated "There's Probably No God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life".

However, clearly admitting that atheists exist is too controversial? Holy cow.

[The Grand Nudger]

They can't accept that others refuse to buy into their garbage, because it reminds them of those hidden parts of themselves that struggle with the same. Our rejection or disbelief of the very notion of a god puts the cruelest of mirrors up to their own. Just how hard would it be to comply to the wishes of such a creature if you had absolute faith and trust in every jot and tittle? Yet they freely admit that none are capable, that all fall short.



(I wouldn't spend an ounce of my time discussing religion with the faithful if they didn't lay their own doubts completely bare by discussing these things with me in the manner that they do in the first place.)