Militant atheism: Why it exists, and why we need it.

[The Grand Nudger]

No recent wars you say? God hasn't involved himself you say?

You mean our previous president, the illustrious George Junior, wasn't told by god to "end tyranny" in Iraq? God did not tell him " go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan".

Strange, he seems to be under the impression that God did tell him these things, that god did involve himself. You clearly disagree, but why?

-You- are not being held accountable, your religion, and the system of support and assistance it has offered atrocity since it's very inception, is being held accountable. What you -are- accountable for, is perpetuating the same. We hold politcal systems, offices, and officials accountable for those very same things. They are punished, your religion's legacy somehow escapes this axe, and almost unbelievably, manages to garner a measure of respect for itself that it does not deserve as it accomplishes it's dirty little task.

[Disciple]

No recent wars you say? God hasn't involved himself you say?

You mean our previous president, the illustrious George Junior, wasn't told by god to "end tyranny" in Iraq? God did not tell him " go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan".

Strange, he seems to be under the impression that God did tell him these things, that god did involve himself. You clearly disagree, but why?

-You- are not being held accountable, your religion, and the system of support and assistance it has offered atrocity since it's very inception, is being held accountable. What you -are- accountable for, is perpetuating the same. We hold politcal systems, offices, and officials accountable for those very same things. They are punished, your religion's legacy somehow escapes this axe, and almost unbelievably, manages to garner a measure of respect for itself that it does not deserve as it accomplishes it's dirty little task.

Are you really saying that the wars in iraq and afghanistan are because "god told bush to do it" and it had nothing to do with the terrorist attacks perpitrated on the world trade center and the pentagon? The way I understand it is that we were attacked and wanted to make sure we did not get attacked again. The only way to acomplish this is to go kill them before they can kill more of us. Violence is the only thing they know or respect, that is their words not how I see them. America did not start this fight becase God told that turd anything. I doubt that sock puppet even talked to god. He probably said that because he thought it would make him look good in the eyes of the american people. I wouldent say that my "religion" has commited atrocities from its very inception either. my path is christianity not judaism or anything else. Christianity is the way of christ and the new covenant. Its true some evil people have aquired the reigns of power using it to their advantage and they will certainly be held accountable. Hell will burn hotter for them than anybody else i think.
Again i will admit the people at the top mostly of the catholic church have been responsible for all that and there have been no recent atrocities to speak of. Its almost like some want there to be a boogey man there. There really isnt. Peace.

[The Grand Nudger]

No more than any war in which god has ever been invoked. "God" is often a placeholder for ambition, or a pretense for something less justifiable (if a war for any god could be said to be justifiable to begin with).

Do you think that god told Pope Urban II to call a Holy Crusade? In what way would our previous presidents political gaffs (now rightly seen as naive and baseless, even by someone of faith such as yourself) be different from Urban's call to arms (then perhaps truly believed in)?

You doubt that he spoke to god, but why? Does god speak to anyone? If you are free to doubt whether god spoke to this specific person then why am I not free to doubt whether god spoke to Abraham? If you feel that your doubts are well founded upon what basis would you dismiss my own?

Christianity is the way of "whatever believers assert at any given time" this has included holy war (and in many places, it still does). Recent atrocities? I'm sure we'll spend days trying to determine exactly what constitutes an "atrocity". It isn't exactly hard to find examples of the abuses suffered by unfortunate people under the guise of "religion". Religion -is- a boogeyman, I don't have to go looking to find one.

[simplexity]

Just the fact that all the theologically based religions assert absolutes means whatever has been revealed is always true. This scares the hell out of me for good reason. Even when what is asserted harms no one that doesn't mean something else can't come along later. The only absolute is existence itself. ” and this has been regarded as a bad idea by many”. Ab solutist religions need to be abolished.

[Disciple]

No more than any war in which god has ever been invoked. "God" is often a placeholder for ambition, or a pretense for something less justifiable (if a war for any god could be said to be justifiable to begin with).

Do you think that god told Pope Urban II to call a Holy Crusade? In what way would our previous presidents political gaffs (now rightly seen as naive and baseless, even by someone of faith such as yourself) be different from Urban's call to arms (then perhaps truly believed in)?

You doubt that he spoke to god, but why? Does god speak to anyone? If you are free to doubt whether god spoke to this specific person then why am I not free to doubt whether god spoke to Abraham? If you feel that your doubts are well founded upon what basis would you dismiss my own?

Christianity is the way of "whatever believers assert at any given time" this has included holy war (and in many places, it still does). Recent atrocities? I'm sure we'll spend days trying to determine exactly what constitutes an "atrocity". It isn't exactly hard to find examples of the abuses suffered by unfortunate people under the guise of "religion". Religion -is- a boogeyman, I don't have to go looking to find one.

Rythm- You ask me why you are not free to doubt whether god spoke to Abraham? Good sir you are free to doubt that. Doubt isnt always a bad thing. It would be a bad thing to hear something and not even think about it having bought it hook, line and sinker. Dont make the mistake of thinking that I just dismiss your doubts. I think of WHY you doubt, see if I agree and make an informed decision for myself.

Of course I cant say for sure if ole Bushie talked to God or God talked to bush. The reason I say i "doubt" that he did is because Bush dosent really come off as somebody who walks the walk as reflected by his politics. I could be wrong there. Like i said its a doubt and not something I know for sure.

Your claim that christianity is the "way of whatever believers assert at any given time" is false. its true that it is the way of people who use it for their own gain. Like I said before, the flames of hell will burn hotter for those offenders moreso than anybody. Because they are responsible for decieving many and leading countless others astray.

The way of true christianity is to be like christ. That can only be done one way. For us it means To love God with all our heart, mind, body, soul and strength. And to love your neighbor as yourself. that sums it up in a nutshell. No boogey man in that.

[The Grand Nudger]

Unfortunately, and as much as I would agree with you that the flames of hell should burn more intensely for these people, there is o such place. They will receive no such punishment. If we want to set someone on fire, we'll have to handle that here, ourselves, and without front to blame it on.

So, I'll bring the kindling you bring the match?

(Christ is claimed to have said and done some boogeyman stuff himself deciple, I'm sure you're aware of this, being the christian here)

[Disciple]

Unfortunately, and as much as I would agree with you that the flames of hell should burn more intensely for these people, there is o such place. They will receive no such punishment. If we want to set someone on fire, we'll have to handle that here, ourselves, and without front to blame it on.

So, I'll bring the kindling you bring the match?

(Christ is claimed to have said and done some boogeyman stuff himself deciple, I'm sure you're aware of this, being the christian here)

The first thing that pops in my head is. Id like to bring the flame thrower. Then it pops in my head that vengence is god's and ill trust him to handle it. He can do a better job at that kind of stuff anyway. Rest assured my friend, justice will find them. They may even get part of their punishment here on earth before our very eyes. No im not saying that everytime something bad happens to somebody God did it. Sometimes it is. In the way i choose to believe of course.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

The first thing that pops in my head is. Id like to bring the flame thrower.

How very Christian of you.


The kinds of Christians we get here seem to invariably have a wide streak of smug schadenfreude.

[The Grand Nudger]

No, deciple, sometimes it is not. Your god is confined to the pages of a book. Last I checked we weren't chucking our criminals between the bindings of whatever work of fiction we feel particularly drawn to. When it pops into your head that vengeance is his, I bet he wants vengeance against the same people you do. Canary in the mines.

[Disciple]

The first thing that pops in my head is. Id like to bring the flame thrower.

How very Christian of you.


The kinds of Christians we get here seem to invariably have a wide streak of smug schadenfreude.

Yes, Im christian but still human. How convienient to leave out the remainder of what I said. If you liked that you will LOVE what I just wrote in the philosophy section. Knock yourselves out.

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I take no pleasure in the pain or misfortune of others, even if they do deserve it. I do believe in justice. I was merely pointing out what WILL happen. good day gentlemen.