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Insulting & attacking belief doesn't work.
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RE: Insulting & attacking belief doesn't work.
(March 31, 2012 at 11:39 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: No, Insanity X, I have had the pleasure of witnessing the "softly" spoken paedophilic priest... I am old and know the difference.

Not entirely sure what your saying no to. I'm guessing about the forgetting the good ones.

I can only speak from my own life experience short as it is. And I've met many completely functional good religious people that have no interest in forcing there beliefs on anyone or inhibiting anyone's rights. I've also met the assholes who tell me I'm a sinner and going to hell and think shariah law should be enforced globally. I'm not going to tar them all with the same brush.

In fact I have nothing against any individual of any religion until they do something disgusting. Just against the system of religion itself.
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#12
RE: Insulting & attacking belief doesn't work.
(March 31, 2012 at 11:55 am)Insanity x Wrote:
(March 31, 2012 at 11:39 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: No, Insanity X, I have had the pleasure of witnessing the "softly" spoken paedophilic priest... I am old and know the difference.

Not entirely sure what your saying no to. I'm guessing about the forgetting the good ones.

I can only speak from my own life experience short as it is. And I've met many completely functional good religious people that have no interest in forcing there beliefs on anyone or inhibiting anyone's rights. I've also met the assholes who tell me I'm a sinner and going to hell and think shariah law should be enforced globally. I'm not going to tar them all with the same brush.

In fact I have nothing against any individual of any religion until they do something disgusting. Just against the system of religion itself.

Agree with you there whole heartedly. So many really lovely honest caring people who don't deserve the religion they have, or are MORE than the religion they have.

The point being is that the volume (soft or loud) is irrelevant ...the content of what people are saying is everything. And yes ..we all have life experiences which for some reason get discounted when all people see is an atheist "monster"...meh..I'm getting too old for this shit.
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#13
RE: Insulting & attacking belief doesn't work.
(March 31, 2012 at 11:04 am)Tiberius Wrote: You should watch Phil Plait's "don't be a dick" speech. It's rather depressing that the majority of atheists seem to be aggressive and hateful. It doesn't do us any favours.


We only hate the sin, not the sinners.

ROFLOL
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RE: Insulting & attacking belief doesn't work.
(March 31, 2012 at 12:11 pm)KichigaiNeko Wrote: The point being is that the volume (soft or loud) is irrelevant ...the content of what people are saying is everything. And yes ..we all have life experiences which for some reason get discounted when all people see is an atheist "monster"...meh..I'm getting too old for this shit.

I agree on the most part but the tone of people say is important to. If someone uses an aggressive tone then the reaction on the other side is to be defensive despite what is being said. At least thats my take on it Tongue
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#15
RE: Insulting & attacking belief doesn't work.
I tend to react in kind. In other words, if you are a nice theist, I will be nice to you. If you're a pain in the ass, all bets are off.

I should point out that I am not in the habit of trying to change the minds of theists. Therefore, it "working" has no bearing on me.
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#16
RE: Insulting & attacking belief doesn't work.
(March 31, 2012 at 11:04 am)Tiberius Wrote: You should watch Phil Plait's "don't be a dick" speech. It's rather depressing that the majority of atheists seem to be aggressive and hateful. It doesn't do us any favours.



I don't go for this "turn the other cheek shit," boss. That's for the jesus freaks or supposed to be.

Besides, they'd be pissed to know that the Greek Stoics came up with the idea centuries before their alleged godboy was ever concocted.
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#17
RE: Insulting & attacking belief doesn't work.
The problem on both sides is assuming that one person or another is an asshole straight off the bat without getting to know them.

I'm usually asking for more tolerance on this site in particular, but I'll be one of the first to call someone out and snap at them if they're being a jack ass - theist or atheist.

If someone comes at me or another person in a hostile manner, they're going to get the sarcasm and mockery guns full throttle that so many believers seem to hate. I'll give them a chance to calm down first, but after a certain point I'm not a door mat. 1) because after that certain point, reasonable people usually calm down, unless they have an axe to grind and no way will I allow myself or others to be the whetstone. 2) What gives you the right to think you can treat me like shit in the first place?
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#18
RE: Insulting & attacking belief doesn't work.
Q-"Do you believe in christ and atonement."
A-"Yes."

Asshole, no assumptions required.
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RE: Insulting & attacking belief doesn't work.
Also, per your thread title, I'll insult their beliefs all the fuck I want, and treat them with respect while doing it. It's not my fault if they take it so personally that they have to wank with their own tears about it.
(March 31, 2012 at 1:25 pm)Rhythm Wrote: "Do you believe in christ and atonement" -"yes"

Asshole, no assumptions required.

Bullshit.
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#20
RE: Insulting & attacking belief doesn't work.
It's only a matter of opinion darling.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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