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Theory of Everything (unifying faith and reason)
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RE: Theory of Everything (unifying faith and reason)
(April 1, 2012 at 2:26 am)Phil Wrote: But in the USA we are #1 and don't you forget young man...

Well to be fair we're only 4th or 5th in executions....

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RE: Theory of Everything (unifying faith and reason)
(April 1, 2012 at 3:01 am)popeyespappy Wrote:
(April 1, 2012 at 2:26 am)Phil Wrote: But in the USA we are #1 and don't you forget young man...

Well to be fair we're only 4th or 5th in executions....

That's because Texas has been slacking lately.
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RE: Theory of Everything (unifying faith and reason)
(March 31, 2012 at 10:27 pm)wisdom searcher Wrote: Right now I'm really wondering if reason and faith are two sides to the same coin. I think maybe it's like General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics. They seem contradictory, but scientists are searching for a way to unify them. Nobody is really saying that relativity is wrong because of quantum mechanics or vice versa.

Maybe we should do the same about faith and reason. What if there is a theory of everything that unifies them and those who fight for one or the other are both wrong? How can we know?

There already is a unifying theory of reason and faith. We evolved the ability to reason and imagine.
Part of that created anthropomorphic assumption as part of the danger reflex, looking for explanations for things we couldn't reason.
That created faith in those explanations and thereby primitive religions.

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RE: Theory of Everything (unifying faith and reason)
Well, I'm glad I got a bunch of responses, but I was hoping for less insult and more thought.

Most of you seem to think that your trump card is reason, but how do you know that reason explains everything? I intended part of my question to ask: what if reason does not explain everything and faith is necessary? How can you KNOW that is not true?

Also, there is no scientific evidence that man made God up. At least I have never heard any. It's just a theory, and not a scientific one at that.

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RE: Theory of Everything (unifying faith and reason)
(April 1, 2012 at 7:44 am)wisdom searcher Wrote: Well, I'm glad I got a bunch of responses, but I was hoping for less insult and more thought.

Why thankyou ignorant sir


(April 1, 2012 at 7:44 am)wisdom searcher Wrote: Most of you seem to think that your trump card is reason, but how do you know that reason explains everything?

It doesn't so you fail straight out of the block there

(April 1, 2012 at 7:44 am)wisdom searcher Wrote: I intended part of my question to ask: what if reason does not explain everything and faith is necessary?

You're a troll yes??

What makes you think that you are capable of a) reason and b) faith to explain why you are on this board typing away?

(April 1, 2012 at 7:44 am)wisdom searcher Wrote: How can you KNOW that is not true?


How do you KNOW that faith is true?? I is a PERSONAL thing. Yes??

(April 1, 2012 at 7:44 am)wisdom searcher Wrote: Also, there is no scientific evidence that man made God up. At least I have never heard any. It's just a theory, and not a scientific one at that.

What planet/ time period are you from??

Clearly you were asleep in science class ...otherwise you will KBNOW what a "Scientific Theory" entails.

After all...gravity is "Just a theory" so that means you are leaping out of tall buildings ALL the time?? After all "It's Just a Theory"

Dick go back to school and PAY attention this time! Angry
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RE: Theory of Everything (unifying faith and reason)
(March 31, 2012 at 10:32 pm)Phil Wrote: Faith is nothing like an evidence based science. To even think so is probably a sign of severe mental illness.

Not like, or even similar, but two very different expressions of reality--like General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics
"There is nothing so powerful as truth, and often nothing so strange." Daniel Webster
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RE: Theory of Everything (unifying faith and reason)
(April 1, 2012 at 7:56 am)wisdom searcher Wrote:
(March 31, 2012 at 10:32 pm)Phil Wrote: Faith is nothing like an evidence based science. To even think so is probably a sign of severe mental illness.

Not like, or even similar, but two very different expressions of reality--like General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics

No, a theory is an idea proposed to account for the evidence.

Faith is an idea proposed in the absence of any evidence, or even in opposition to the evidence.
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RE: Theory of Everything (unifying faith and reason)
(April 1, 2012 at 7:52 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: What planet/ time period are you from??

Clearly you were asleep in science class ...otherwise you will KBNOW what a "Scientific Theory" entails.

After all...gravity is "Just a theory" so that means you are leaping out of tall buildings ALL the time?? After all "It's Just a Theory"

Dick go back to school and PAY attention this time! Angry

I never said "Scientific Theory." I did not capitalize theory. A dictionary would show that there are other ways to use the word theory. I said it was NOT a scientific theory.

I am currently in college. And your insults are little amusing considering I'm female. Smile
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RE: Theory of Everything (unifying faith and reason)
(April 1, 2012 at 2:26 am)Phil Wrote:
(April 1, 2012 at 2:17 am)Minimalist Wrote: Yeah. A lot of Americans are pretty fucking stupid.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/ev_publi.htm

There really is nothing quite as stupid as a YEC.

But in the USA we are #1 and don't you forget young man...

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The UK is pretty bad, just not as much. The teen birthrate is accurate, just take a stroll to the town centre, prams fucking everywhere! Very young women behind them.
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Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan

Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.

Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.

You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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RE: Theory of Everything (unifying faith and reason)
(April 1, 2012 at 7:44 am)wisdom searcher Wrote: Most of you seem to think that your trump card is reason, but how do you know that reason explains everything? I intended part of my question to ask: what if reason does not explain everything and faith is necessary? How can you KNOW that is not true?

So where is faith necessary?

When does it adequately explain ANYTHING?
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