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Do Fundie Theists Have Something Wrong With Them?
#21
RE: Do Fundie Theists Have Something Wrong With Them?
Quote:The regimes of Stahlin, Mao, and Pol Pot were expressly atheistic.


So what?

Atheism is about lack of belief,nothing more, it is NOT a religion,world view, political ideology ,philosophy or club.

Stalin and the rest you mentioned were psychotic monsters who were also atheists. They were NOT monsters BECAUSE they were atheists.Nor does atheism imply or infer a lack of morality. The implication of your statement is a facile and insulting ad hominem.Angry
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#22
RE: Do Fundie Theists Have Something Wrong With Them?
(April 3, 2012 at 3:07 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: It's only natural for people to believe what we're raised to, what everyone who matters to us believes. We're social animals who depend on each other for survival. A bias to go along with the group on matters that can't be proven one way or another probably has value in terms of getting to pass your genes along. People who were raised theist and completely abandon that are the exception, not the norm.

(April 3, 2012 at 3:34 pm)Faith No More Wrote: I like to say they are just stupid, but I am well aware that we are products of our raising. Enough indoctrination from my parents and I have might professed belief in a 6,000 year old earth also.

I have very religious parents and went to a school where they taught you stories in the Bible like they were historical fact yet when I grew up and learnt about real science and history I completely rejected those beliefs, and I know other people who did the same.

I might have a lot more understanding for theists if I hadn't hadn't had a fairly religious upbrining but the fact is I just see them as stupid and awkward for holding onto their beliefs in the face of all the evidence to the contrary.




(April 3, 2012 at 3:43 pm)tobie Wrote: I would also say that atheism attracts a more rational kind of person, although I wouldn't go around saying that theists are stupid, as it would just make us live up to the reputation we have among the theist community.

Well sorry but thats what I think of them in all honesty Undecided
What else would you logically call people who believe that the Adam and Eve story and the story of Noah's Ark literally happened and that the Earth is 6000 years old, and will simply ignore any and all evidence that comes to the contrary.

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#23
RE: Do Fundie Theists Have Something Wrong With Them?
Xavier Wrote:What else would you logically call people who believe that the Adam and Eve story and the story of Noah's Ark literally happened and that the Earth is 6000 years old, and will simply ignore any and all evidence that comes to the contrary.

Someone who lives in a fantasy world in an attempt to avoid the harsh, uncaring reality of life.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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#24
RE: Do Fundie Theists Have Something Wrong With Them?
(April 4, 2012 at 3:47 am)padraic Wrote:
Quote:The regimes of Stahlin, Mao, and Pol Pot were expressly atheistic.


So what?

Atheism is about lack of belief,nothing more, it is NOT a religion,world view, political ideology ,philosophy or club.

Stalin and the rest you mentioned were psychotic monsters who were also atheists. They were NOT monsters BECAUSE they were atheists.Nor does atheism imply or infer a lack of morality. The implication of your statement is a facile and insulting ad hominem.Angry

I agree and offered those as an examples to counter the claim that theistic thinking inclines believers toward totalitarian thinking.
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#25
RE: Do Fundie Theists Have Something Wrong With Them?
Actually, the claim was that it was fundamentalist thinking that inclines believers toward totalitarian thinking. I would argue that communism as practiced in China, Russia, Cambodia, and North Korea IS a form of fundamentalist thinking, in the broad sense of committment to holding to dogma when given a choice between dogma and contrary evidence.
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RE: Do Fundie Theists Have Something Wrong With Them?
(April 3, 2012 at 2:07 pm)Xavier Wrote:
(April 3, 2012 at 1:56 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Why is it so important to you?

Because its important.
Getting rid of religion is one of the best things we could do for humanity to progress in the near future.

I agree!
James Holmes acted consistent with what evolution teaches. He evolved from an animal, and when he murdered those people, He acted like one. You can't say he's wrong since evolution made him that way.
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#27
RE: Do Fundie Theists Have Something Wrong With Them?
(April 4, 2012 at 12:37 pm)elunico13 Wrote:
(April 3, 2012 at 2:07 pm)Xavier Wrote:
(April 3, 2012 at 1:56 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Why is it so important to you?

Because its important.
Getting rid of religion is one of the best things we could do for humanity to progress in the near future.

I agree!

Are you a troll or just very stupid? A christian that wants to get rid of religion... Thinking
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#28
RE: Do Fundie Theists Have Something Wrong With Them?
totalitarianism from wikipedia
[hide]Totalitarianism (or totalitarian rule) is a political system where the state recognizes no limits to its authority and strives to regulate every aspect of public and private life wherever feasible.[2] Totalitarian regimes stay in political power through an all-encompassing propaganda campaign, which is disseminated through the state-controlled mass media, a single party that is often marked by political repression, personality cultism, control over the economy, regulation and restriction of speech, mass surveillance, and widespread use of terror.[\hide]
I agree that a totalitarian politial system does not have ot be theistic. My point was that belief in God and intelligence are also not related because, for one thing, small children donot have a choice in how they are indoctrinated. And the more "totalitarian" their upbringing is, the less likely they are to ever dare to think for themselves. possibly, totalitarian was not the word I was looking for, maybe authoritarion would have been better. However, in some of the atheistic totalitarian regimes mentioned, isn't it also less likely that people are willing to thin for themselves and/or challenge the establishment?
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