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JESUS CHRIST: Myth or Historical Person?
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The bible is not philosophy. Philosophy emphasizes the use of the mind. The bible emphasizes the foreclosure of said device. While the bible may have elements which derive from earlier philosophies, it is a storybook rather than a textbook.
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 (June 2, 2012 at 11:49 pm)Epimethean Wrote: The bible is not philosophy.Until we find out who actually wrote what, we can't make any claims on what it really is. If Harry Potter had actually been written by Ron Weasley then wouldn't that change everything? Quote: Philosophy emphasizes the use of the mind. The bible emphasizes the foreclosure of said device. Not if it can be shown that the Bible is actually a philosophy. Quote: While the bible may have elements which derive from earlier philosophies, it is a storybook rather than a textbook. I have my reasons for thinking it is a philosophy. Aren't there bits that strike you as being too perfect in the sense that the situation seems rather structured than an actual telling of history? For example, the two thieves on either side of Jesus on the crosses just so happened to have opposite beliefs on who Jesus was. They're faced with death yet one gets saved and the other didn't. Why didn't they both either believe in him or not believe in him? It seems as if it had to be one that believed and one that didn't because then a teaching can come out of that. "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle
 Quote:which he wrote around 109 C.E. Its probably a much later forgery.  (June 3, 2012 at 12:30 am)FallentoReason Wrote: If Harry Potter had actually been written by Ron Weasley then wouldn't that change everything? It certainly would, since he is equally as fictional as his wizardy friend. However, if we discovered copies of copies etc of manuscripts from many centuries ago purporting to be written by the character, though not actually an eyewitness to the wizard or any of the events he describes, and written several decades after those events... see where this is going?
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RE: JESUS CHRIST: Myth or Historical Person?
June 3, 2012 at 1:03 am
(This post was last modified: June 3, 2012 at 1:06 am by FallentoReason.)
(June 3, 2012 at 12:43 am)Stimbo Wrote:You only know that because clearly J. K. Rowling is the author and therefore we are able to understand the meaning of Harry Potter. What if HP was a manuscript from 2000 years ago? Could there be some speculation as to who wrote it? I think yes.(June 3, 2012 at 12:30 am)FallentoReason Wrote: If Harry Potter had actually been written by Ron Weasley then wouldn't that change everything? Quote: However, if we discovered copies of copies etc of manuscripts from many centuries ago purporting to be written by the character, though not actually an eyewitness to the wizard or any of the events he describes, and written several decades after those events... see where this is going?I do, only that my example of HP is the inverse of what I think the Gospels could be. They clearly don't claim to be eyewitness accounts or written by Apostles. So if we replace the Gospels with HP, I think nowadays Christians think Harry Potter's 'apostles' wrote 7 books about his detailed adventures in a castle when in reality it could very well have been 1 person by the name of J. K. Rowling who wrote everything therefore the meaning of the 7 books changes drastically. "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle
 Quote:Not if it can be shown that the Bible is actually a philosophy. I think it can be reasonably argued that the Torah and the New Testament each contain a strong moral philosophy,at least within my understanding of the term. IE moral philosophy is about systematising, defending, and recommending concepts of right and wrong behavior.  (June 3, 2012 at 12:30 am)FallentoReason Wrote: I have my reasons for thinking it is a philosophy. Aren't there bits that strike you as being too perfect in the sense that the situation seems rather structured than an actual telling of history? For example, the two thieves on either side of Jesus on the crosses just so happened to have opposite beliefs on who Jesus was. They're faced with death yet one gets saved and the other didn't. Why didn't they both either believe in him or not believe in him? It seems as if it had to be one that believed and one that didn't because then a teaching can come out of that. Dramatic irony. Perfectly in line with a storybook.  (April 15, 2012 at 12:57 pm)Zen Badger Wrote:(April 15, 2012 at 8:52 am)Christian Wrote: GAIUS SUETONIUS TRANQUILLUS (69 - 130 A.D.)Here's a list of bible contradictions..... Here's an explanation of one of the few verses that seem to contradict each other. http://creation.com/genesis-contradictions
Are we essentially evolved spacesuits stupidly assembled by no other reason than to reproduce more of the same stupidly assembled spacesuits that will eventually cease to exist?
 It's the devil's way now. There is no way out. You can scream and you can shout. It is too late now. Because you're not there, payin' attention. -Radiohead Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me. -Matthew 5:11  (June 3, 2012 at 2:21 am)ScienceLovesGod Wrote:(April 15, 2012 at 12:57 pm)Zen Badger Wrote: Here's a list of bible contradictions..... Great! 62 more to go!
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