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RE: Famous People who have Praised God and Died
April 23, 2012 at 3:58 pm
(April 23, 2012 at 2:04 pm)NoMoreFaith Wrote: (April 23, 2012 at 2:00 pm)Godschild Wrote: Nonbelievers murdering God's people, and you say we're barbaric.
Do you seriously want a comparison of "God's people" murdered for that belief by those who do not believe in a supernatural deity, and those who do not believe in a supernatural deity murdered by "God's people".
Really?
I know what atrocities that Christians have done, my point is nonbelievers point out what Christians have done and ignore what nonbelievers have done. You also make these things sound like we are the ones responsible for things of the past. You blame Christianity for atrocities that are committed by supposed Christians just because they say they're Christians, yet they show no sign of being anything but criminals. You do that because you know that would throw a bad light on nonbelievers, we do not like criminals to be thrown in our camp any more than you want them in your camp. Just because someone claims to be a Christian does not make them one, I could claim to be an astronaut that doesn't make it so, there are no signs in my life that would show I am. Paul thought he was doing the will of God when he was killing Christians, God set him straight, and Paul was able to see he was wrong about his own self, and those Christians Paul was after were Jews. What Paul did not realize God was going to scatter the Jewish nation across the world and destroying the Temple was the start of this. God did this to lower the opposition to Christianity from His chosen nation and allow His plan to continue as planned. Their rebellion against God cost them a lot, again. Paul's original good intention was outside God's will and actually was not good at all.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Famous People who have Praised God and Died
April 23, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Quote:my point is nonbelievers point out what Christians have done and ignore what nonbelievers have done.
That's because your alleged godboy told you to turn the other cheek and lots of other associated horseshit. I imagine the irony is lost on people like you.
When confronted with the chasm between xtian ideals and xtian reality you clowns usually fall back on the old "xtians aren't perfect....just forgiven" line of shit which is a nice little get out of hell free card which you have invented for yourselves.
Personally, I think every one of you is totally full of shit.
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RE: Famous People who have Praised God and Died
April 23, 2012 at 4:56 pm
(April 23, 2012 at 3:58 pm)Godschild Wrote: I know what atrocities that Christians have done, my point is nonbelievers point out what Christians have done and ignore what nonbelievers have done. You also make these things sound like we are the ones responsible for things of the past. You blame Christianity for atrocities that are committed by supposed Christians just because they say they're Christians, yet they show no sign of being anything but criminals. You do that because you know that would throw a bad light on nonbelievers, we do not like criminals to be thrown in our camp any more than you want them in your camp. Just because someone claims to be a Christian does not make them one, I could claim to be an astronaut that doesn't make it so, there are no signs in my life that would show I am. Paul thought he was doing the will of God when he was killing Christians, God set him straight, and Paul was able to see he was wrong about his own self, and those Christians Paul was after were Jews. What Paul did not realize God was going to scatter the Jewish nation across the world and destroying the Temple was the start of this. God did this to lower the opposition to Christianity from His chosen nation and allow His plan to continue as planned. Their rebellion against God cost them a lot, again. Paul's original good intention was outside God's will and actually was not good at all.
Non-believers didn't proclaim they are doing it for "nonbelievism".
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RE: Famous People who have Praised God and Died
April 23, 2012 at 5:11 pm
As Gandhi said; "I like your christ, but I don't like your christians."
I think it reflects pretty badly upon christianity if people claim to be christians and do atrocities like the holocaust, the crusades, the slave trade etc.
I think the phrase "You shall know them by the company they keep" is quite apt.
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RE: Famous People who have Praised God and Died
April 23, 2012 at 5:47 pm
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(April 23, 2012 at 5:11 pm)tobie Wrote: As Gandhi said; "I like your christ, but I don't like your christians."
I think it reflects pretty badly upon christianity if people claim to be christians and do atrocities like the holocaust, the crusades, the slave trade etc.
I think the phrase "You shall know them by the company they keep" is quite apt.
By what you are saying when a nonbeliever steals then we can say all nonbelievers are thieves.
What makes you think that nonbelievers were not a big part of the slave trade, I see it that way.
(April 23, 2012 at 4:56 pm)Forsaken Wrote: (April 23, 2012 at 3:58 pm)Godschild Wrote:
Non-believers didn't proclaim they are doing it for "nonbelievism".
You're correct they did it for no reason at all, so what does that say for nonbelievers.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Famous People who have Praised God and Died
April 23, 2012 at 5:58 pm
(April 23, 2012 at 5:47 pm)Godschild Wrote: (April 23, 2012 at 5:11 pm)tobie Wrote: As Gandhi said; "I like your christ, but I don't like your christians."
I think it reflects pretty badly upon christianity if people claim to be christians and do atrocities like the holocaust, the crusades, the slave trade etc.
I think the phrase "You shall know them by the company they keep" is quite apt.
By what you are saying when a nonbeliever steals then we can say all nonbelievers are thieves.
What makes you think that nonbelievers were not a big part of the slave trade, I see it that way.
The main reason for taking africans as slaves is that they weren't christian, because having christian slaves was against the rules.
You completely missed my point. Like I said, it's pretty damning on christianity when people claim to be christian, yet commit atrocities of the magnitude of the holocaust. I never said use one example of something to make a blanket statement about everyone else like them.
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RE: Famous People who have Praised God and Died
April 23, 2012 at 6:17 pm
(April 23, 2012 at 5:58 pm)tobie Wrote: (April 23, 2012 at 5:47 pm)Godschild Wrote: (April 23, 2012 at 5:11 pm)tobie Wrote:
By what you are saying when a nonbeliever steals then we can say all nonbelievers are thieves.
What makes you think that nonbelievers were not a big part of the slave trade, I see it that way.
The main reason for taking africans as slaves is that they weren't christian, because having christian slaves was against the rules.
You completely missed my point. Like I said, it's pretty damning on christianity when people claim to be christian, yet commit atrocities of the magnitude of the holocaust. I never said use one example of something to make a blanket statement about everyone else like them.
I know Christians were involved, I wasn't saying they weren't. What I was saying no one group is innocent of slave trade, when you're guilty you're guilty no matter who you are.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Famous People who have Praised God and Died
April 23, 2012 at 7:06 pm
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Christian/Criminal, I suppose that depends on which side of the line of victimization you happen to find yourself on, doesn't it?
"when you're guilty you're guilty no matter who you are"- correct, and this would be a hell of a problem for you if you actually believed it.
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RE: Famous People who have Praised God and Died
April 23, 2012 at 10:00 pm
(April 23, 2012 at 7:06 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Christian/Criminal, I suppose that depends on which side of the line of victimization you happen to find yourself on, doesn't it?
"when you're guilty you're guilty no matter who you are"- correct, and this would be a hell of a problem for you if you actually believed it.
I do believe it and no it does not present a problem for me, Christ payed my penalty, simply because I accept what He did for me.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Famous People who have Praised God and Died
April 23, 2012 at 10:40 pm
Quote:By what you are saying when a nonbeliever steals then we can say all nonbelievers are thieves.
Non-believers are not bound by a commandment from their fucking god that says "thou shalt not steal."
Sure G-C, even an idiot like you can see the irony there. You are one of the first to start proclaiming how fucking moral your god is but so many of you pay no attention to him that you are indistinguishable from non-believers.
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