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RE: Fine Tuning Argument
May 5, 2012 at 3:38 pm
(May 5, 2012 at 2:59 pm)libalchris Wrote: In other words, the reason that the universe can only support life when fine-tuned, is because god made it that way.
No because that's not what is happening, I am speaking from a self-destructing creationised view point, thus there god is powerless and there argument is crushed, but the universe does not work like that and life has adapted to the earth which is far from fine tuned.
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RE: Fine Tuning Argument
May 5, 2012 at 3:44 pm
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(May 5, 2012 at 3:38 pm)Gooders1002 Wrote: (May 5, 2012 at 2:59 pm)libalchris Wrote: In other words, the reason that the universe can only support life when fine-tuned, is because god made it that way.
No because that's not what is happening, I am speaking from a self-destructing creationised view point, thus there god is powerless and there argument is crushed, but the universe does not work like that and life has adapted to the earth which is far from fine tuned.
Ahh, I believe I see what's happening here. I'm referring specifically to the laws of physics. Only an idiot would say that the earth is fine-tuned for life, when it is clearly not overall, and life evolved to fit the earth, not the other way around.
The laws of physics are a little more difficult to deal with however, but the argument ultimately fails under scrutiny, and there are many ways to defeat it. My original post is just one of those ways.
I do agree, however, that the universe is far from being "fine-tuned" for life. Rather, it is just capable of supporting life (even if that is improbable.) It is especially far from being fine-tuned by the standards of an all-powerful god.
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RE: Fine Tuning Argument
May 5, 2012 at 3:51 pm
(May 5, 2012 at 3:44 pm)libalchris Wrote: (May 5, 2012 at 3:38 pm)Gooders1002 Wrote: No because that's not what is happening, I am speaking from a self-destructing creationised view point, thus there god is powerless and there argument is crushed, but the universe does not work like that and life has adapted to the earth which is far from fine tuned.
Ahh, I believe I see what's happening here. I'm referring specifically to the laws of physics. Only an idiot would say that the earth is fine-tuned for life, when it is clearly not overall, and life evolved to fit the earth, not the other way around.
The laws of physics are a little more difficult to deal with however, but the argument ultimately fails under scrutiny, and there are many ways to defeat it. My original post is just one of those ways.
I do agree, however, that the universe is far from being "fine-tuned" for life. Rather, it is just capable of supporting life (even if that is improbable.) It is especially far from being fine-tuned by the standards of an all-powerful god.
Honestly how many creationist have the brain power to debunk it, you could use it as a starter and a warm up for them to start questioning there own faith, if they can debunk this and you you deliberative incurage more debunking it could in theory debunk there own religion, Al thought knowing them I will back fire and close there mind even more.
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Know more about the world than I knew yesterday and lessen the suffering of others. You'd be surprised how far that gets you' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
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RE: Fine Tuning Argument
May 5, 2012 at 8:58 pm
(May 5, 2012 at 2:08 pm)Gooders1002 Wrote: a architect is constrained by gravity.
Correction. Some architects are constrained by gravity and reality yet here is one who is not.
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RE: Fine Tuning Argument
May 5, 2012 at 9:46 pm
(May 5, 2012 at 8:58 pm)Phil Wrote: (May 5, 2012 at 2:08 pm)Gooders1002 Wrote: a architect is constrained by gravity.
Correction. Some architects are constrained by gravity and reality yet here is one who is not.
ok ok smart ass
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" - Edward Gibbon (Offen misattributed to Lucius Annaeus Seneca or Seneca the Younger) (Thanks to apophenia for the correction)
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Know more about the world than I knew yesterday and lessen the suffering of others. You'd be surprised how far that gets you' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
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