Is Quran the proof of God?

[downbeatplumb]

Going from memory - I'll have to track it down and watch it again - there are too many narrative parallels to be coincidental. For example, the idea of the hero going undercover and only revealing his identity to a select few.

Odysseus? He conceals his identity temporarily from his wife and her suitors when he gets back home from his voyage, but throughout the journey on sea, he was obvious to everyone around him. But even so, this is a story idea that is too common (archetypal) to even consider as a remarkable thing to emulate. I'm sure, the Hindus and the Chinese had that in their stories as well.

Isn't this the basis for every single Shakespeare "comedy"

[GrandizerII]

Odysseus? He conceals his identity temporarily from his wife and her suitors when he gets back home from his voyage, but throughout the journey on sea, he was obvious to everyone around him. But even so, this is a story idea that is too common (archetypal) to even consider as a remarkable thing to emulate. I'm sure, the Hindus and the Chinese had that in their stories as well.

Isn't this the basis for every single Shakespeare "comedy"

I don't know.

[WinterHold]

drfuzzy

He doesn't, actually his creations speak about his ability; God filled the universe with signs, now ain't he ?
Sending prophets & books containing more information about him, is just a merciful gift coming from a wise, fair source.

Screw the prophets and the "signs" and the books and all of this CRAP and just prove that he exists - give us something real.  Otherwise he's less believable than leprechauns and tooth fairies.

It's a state of mind; what's yours anyways ? Non of my business of course; but ask yourself.

Taking all details & facts into the frame of reference, can lead to a realization of many things, why does the sun rise or sets, why do we dream, why have 5 fingers; and so.
Though it's about the "why" & "how"; "evolution" is the method, but who created evolution anyhow ??

[Cyberman]

Odysseus? He conceals his identity temporarily from his wife and her suitors when he gets back home from his voyage, but throughout the journey on sea, he was obvious to everyone around him. But even so, this is a story idea that is too common (archetypal) to even consider as a remarkable thing to emulate. I'm sure, the Hindus and the Chinese had that in their stories as well.

Isn't this the basis for every single Shakespeare "comedy"

Pretty much. I did say it was a cheap ripoff.

[The Grand Nudger]

Non of my business of course; but ask yourself.

Okay......

 why does the sun rise or sets,

-allah?

why do we dream,

-allah?

why have 5 fingers; 

-allah?

and so.

Allah hu akbar! Amiright or amiright? Now pass me the virgins and the hooch.

[Cyberman]

I wonder: do nerdy muslim terrorists shout "Admiral Ackbar!" before doing their thing?

[WinterHold]

Boring..

[The Grand Nudger]

Agreed Atlas, it -is- boring...but it was your suggestion...I thought it would be polite to at least humor you. Incidentally, I got that bit above right, didn't I....?

[Angrboda]

Here's a fun exercize, to elaborate upon my previous post.  Try to find some example of a biographical detail in the NT concerning jesus that is -not- a vehicle for theology.  

Even seemingly simple things...such as his (hilariously convoluted) ancestry, exist within the narrative merely to establish some religious proposition.  In this example.. that he is rightful heir to the davidic kingdom promised to the chosen people.

There's a youtube series, I think by Sargon of Assad, that goes into this in depth. Basically the idea is that the Jesus story in Mark was a cheap ripoff of Homer's Odyssey, cashing in on that epic's success for a contemporary audience. Not sure how much to take at face value, but interesting viewing.

The Youtube series "Excavating the Empty Tomb" goes into detail on this in the first 6-7 videos. Good stuff, worth watching.

[Cyberman]

I think that's the one. Thanks!