Sin, I don't believe in Sin.

[Whistle Blower]

So if murder and rape, which are actions not to be done, according to the ten commandments, and of course your conscience, are to be done, can you really blame anyone for doing them? I mean, if that's their genetic programming, and their simply obeying their natural animal behavior patterns which came from lesser evolved primates, how can anyone say objectively that this is wrong, and not just by an opinionated standard?

The bible is an example of just this - a few people writing down what they feel shouldn't be allowed, not an objective moral standard handed down from god.

So, how do you explain the 10 commandments which are the back bone of every civilised society?

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Interesting that in the poll the 1st question relates to Santa, a figure who is adored and revered every year, and also someone we actively encourage our children to believe in. What does this say about our twisted understanding of right and wrong?!!

[Tobie]

There is no definite standard of right and wrong. What someone considers "wrong" is almost always something they wouldn't want to happen to themselves. Being able to empathise means you can have a sense of right and wrong. There is no definite objective standard of right and wrong, but most people can agree that certain things shouldn't be allowed.

The bible is an example of just this - a few people writing down what they feel shouldn't be allowed, not an objective moral standard handed down from god.

If a tree falls in the forest, and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?
Surely, there are actions most people agree on that are to be considered wrong. But let's say hypothetically if the entire world liked murder, and for some twisted reason everyone liked being murdered, then would those actions of murder be wrong?

Hypothetically, no. No-one would say that an activity that everyone loved to do or loved to have done to them is wrong.

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The bible is an example of just this - a few people writing down what they feel shouldn't be allowed, not an objective moral standard handed down from god.

So, how do you explain the 10 commandments which are the back bone of every civilised society?

1) Not all commandments are law in every civilised society

2) Some of them are sensible rules ( Do not murder, steal etc. ) and should be laws, because they are degrading to society. You do not need a god to see that.

[Ace Otana]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KiCEJoX9...ure=fvwrel

[Cinjin]

Prov 3: 13 - 15 "Blessed are those who find wisdom, those who gain understanding, for she is more profitable than silver and yields better returns than gold. She is more precious than rubies; nothing you desire can compare with her."

Right right .... and yet you left out these verses about wisdom:

Eccl. 1:18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

1 Cor.1:19: "For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent."

Technology and intelligence fail us with our dying breaths. They have value only when we are alive, but were never meant to supercede the Creator or His Word who is eternal.

Technology and intelligence fail us ---- yeah in death maybe, but I hate to be the one to break this to you Captain Obvious, but everything fails us in death ... because we're dead!!

You know what fails us in LIFE?! The stupid religions of the world - yours being in the top 2 stupid religions of all time.

[ScienceLovesGod]

If a tree falls in the forest, and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?
Surely, there are actions most people agree on that are to be considered wrong. But let's say hypothetically if the entire world liked murder, and for some twisted reason everyone liked being murdered, then would those actions of murder be wrong?

Hypothetically, no. No-one would say that an activity that everyone loved to do or loved to have done to them is wrong.

You're missing my point. If a trees falls in the forest, and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?

[Kayenneh]

Societies laws are based on the 10 commandments

Er, wrong. The ten commandments are based upon older societies, who realized that murdering and stealing just doesn't benefit anyone. Don't flatter yourself and think that the bible was first with anything.

[Minimalist]

So, how do you explain the 10 commandments which are the back bone of every civilised society?

Where is it illegal to work on the 'sabbath?'

Where is it illegal to take the name of the lord in vain?

Where...other than barbaric islamic states ( and you don't care about them anyway ) is it illegal to worship other "gods?"

Where is it illegal to "covet" your neighbor's property?

Where...other than the aforementioned islamic states...is "adultery" illegal? Granted, you can get your ass sued off civilly but people can fuck whoever they want.

Where is it illegal to fail to honor your father and mother?

Where is it illegal to worship graven images?


Now, why is murder and theft illegal in places where your fucking "commandments" are not in force at all?

You are quite an idiot, aren't you?

[Tobie]

Hypothetically, no. No-one would say that an activity that everyone loved to do or loved to have done to them is wrong.

You're missing my point. If a trees falls in the forest, and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?

Yes. Just because there is no-one to hear the sound, does not mean it doesn't occur.

[elunico13]

Atheistic worldviews tend to believe in utilitarianism, relativism, cultural relativism, emotivism and the list goes on. Richard Dawkins has even said that evil doesn't exist.

[Minimalist]

There is no atheistic "worldview", moron.