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Boy visits heaven
#31
RE: Boy visits heaven
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Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan

Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.

Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.

You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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#32
RE: Boy visits heaven
Last I heard, quantum mechanics was "outside" classical physics (the latter is an approximation of the former). QM explains collective electrochemical states temporal evolution very, very well and apparent subjectivity. That is: brains and minds.
"Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government! Supreme executive power derives from a mandate by the masses, not some farcical aquatic ceremony!"
- Dennis the peasant.
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#33
RE: Boy visits heaven
Feel sorry for the poor struggling actors that had to participate in the screeching pile of shite that was the reenactment.
"That is not dead which can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die." 
- Abdul Alhazred.
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#34
RE: Boy visits heaven
Paraphrasing James Randi: why does nobody come out of these experiences and say they went to hell?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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#35
RE: Boy visits heaven
(June 2, 2012 at 1:27 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Paraphrasing James Randi: why does nobody come out of these experiences and say they went to hell?

Not to take the nutcases side here but they kind of do some of the time.
"That is not dead which can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die." 
- Abdul Alhazred.
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#36
RE: Boy visits heaven
So jesus supposedly "caught the child" saving them from death.

Hey thanks jesus... could you get your LAZY GOD DAMN ASS around to the rest of the car accidents where children are dying for no reason whatsoever.

I hate this fucking bull shit. You tube is covered in videos of hell ... and what a big fucking surprise, everybody's hell is always slightly different (and some drastically different) and some people don't see Jesus ... they see Allah.


Bunch of fucking garbage!

Here's a very telling video.

Apparently being a christian doesn't save you from Hell. Here's yet another fucking douche bag sheep that claims to have died and gone to hell who says that even pastors, evangelists and missionaries are not safe from the "sweet just vengeance of his god."

You heard me right. Goto 4:06 and have a listen. Apparently, even devout worship of their fucking god doesn't get you into heaven ... you have to believe in speaking in tongues and other pentecostal bull shit. It seems obvious that this propaganda film is trying subtly promote their own denomination's beliefs while clearly damning the actions of Christians of those "other ungodly denominations that don't practice the way we do."


jesus tapdancing christ your religion is so fucking stupid. Filthy stinking dirty lies told by sheep who teach other sheep to lie to other sheep who go out and make more FUCKING SHEEP!!!






By the way, he also says there are 12 year olds in hell.

All I have to say is FUCK YOU and FUCK your "LOVING god!"
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#37
RE: Boy visits heaven
(June 2, 2012 at 3:58 pm)Cinjin Wrote: So jesus supposedly "caught the child" saving them from death.

Hey thanks jesus... could you get your LAZY GOD DAMN ASS around to the rest of the car accidents where children are dying for no reason whatsoever.

He also doesn't seem to give a shit about
And this was only two years ago! I mean for fuck's sake. "Jesus" needs to step up his game methinks.
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#38
RE: Boy visits heaven
Cinjin Wrote:All I have to say is FUCK YOU and FUCK your "LOVING god!"

Next time, Cinjin, don't mince words, and tell us how you really feel.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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#39
RE: Boy visits heaven



Chalmer's hard problem? Hameroff? Buddha? Plato? Penrose?

All we need now are Henry Stapp and Thomas Nagel and we can have a woo-infected circle jerk.

Honestly, of the lot only Buddha, and, perhaps Penrose, are even worth considering as philosophers of mind. And I'm rather confident the Buddha got an important point wrong. (Okay, Plato can come too, but modern research shows he was wrong; see J. Haidt, 2012)


I sympathize, really I do — I've read much of the same literature, and many of the ideas are seductively appealing. But most of the names listed present superficial and invalid arguments for their viewpoint. But I understand that their arguments are convincing; I also have good confidence they are all wrong.

But here's an idea to wrap your head around, since I have no intention of opening the vaults for you. We have millions upon millions of independent observations that attest to the existence of matter and energy. We have no independent witnesses to your subjective mental phenomenon or anyone else's; only vague, religiously derived theories that "seem" consistent with what you experience subjectively. But none of these theories have any confirmation of any of them — and much as we'd like, we can't expect the mind to witness its own existence from "outside itself". So we have zillions of observations of matter and energy, and zero credible observations of non-material phenomenon, zero, zilch, nada. Now you're a man of learning, so I shouldn't have to point this out to you, but, on that basis alone, a Bayesian calculation of prior probabilities makes it infinitely more probably that any observation will belong to either the category of matter, or energy, and not the non-material. Now, if you had some actual evidence of the non-material, other than your "mental theories", or any actual observations of, things would be different; but they're not.

Anyway, I realize given your religious presumptions, it will be near impossible to wean yourself from unreliable thinkers like Chalmers and so forth, but I suggest you at least leaven them with some true materialist theories. Off the top of my head, Dennett's work on philosophy of mind is good, and while I haven't read it personally, given your bent, I would highly suggest you track down Dennett's "Quining Qualia" (if need, I can help). The other primary resource I would suggest is Patricia Churchland's "Neurophilosophy" — not so much a book of arguments as a book on how to think about these questions, and what pitfalls to avoid. (I must confess, it's been ages since I've read Churchland, so she might be a bit out of date, but valuable nonetheless.) Alas, I haven't gotten to the following work, but have heard good things. Stephen Stich, during an eliminative materialist phase wrote "From Folk Psychology To Cognitive Science: The Case Against Belief". If you're interested, I'll see if I can come up with more pertinent suggestions.

Anyway, to the hunt !


Oh, ETA, this may be a bit out of your depth, but if you want to see an example of what to me is some very promising work suggesting the possibility
of meshing temporal concepts and process in machine thinking. It's in five parts, totaling 45 minutes.

Anyway, if you feel like it.




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#40
RE: Boy visits heaven
I've been in heaven too, it was so colourfull and meaningfull, full of jolly breasted women and pure beer fountains with rainbows coming out of them. Its amazing what a simple lysergic dimethilamide can do Tongue
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