The Brain=Mind Fallacy

[Neo-Scholastic]

WHEN THE BRAIN DIES YOU DIE!

Yeah, but so what. Let's take that as a given. You die period. Okay. Now explain where sensations come from.

[Tea Earl Grey Hot]

It's more than, it's a self-aware being capable of abstract thought.

So you accept that we are more than a biological machine?

I don't. An advance biological machine is a good description of a human being. What's the problem with holding such a view (aside from free will)?

[Annik]

It's more than, it's a self-aware being capable of abstract thought.

So you accept that we are more than a biological machine?

We are biological machines, but we are elevated in the fact that our brains have evolved. We have abstract thought and we are self aware.

[Jackie]

HOLLY SHIT

No we are NOT anything more than nature.

Nature produces thinkers AND dumbasses LIKE YOU, and since evolution isn't about smarts or bran but whichever gets lucky by dumb luck or smarts, the point of reproduction is the final arbiter.

[StatCrux]

It can, that's an option, in fact it's more consistent with materialism. the problem is that it destroys freewill, we basically become automatons, Daniel Dennet agrees, saying freewill is illusory.

So the fuck what?

Another dodge!

You "Thoughts are not material"

ME "so the fuck what"

YOU HAVE NOT IN THIS ENTIRE THREAD STATED YOUR END GOAL

WHAT IS YOUR POINT?

GET TO THE FUCKING POINT

My point is that there is a non-material aspect to human nature, which you have agreed with. (thoughts are not physical) How then can purely material explanations of reality explain existence?

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So you accept that we are more than a biological machine?

We are biological machines, but we are elevated in the fact that our brains have evolved. We have abstract thought and we are self aware.

I thought you said that we become biological machines upon brain death? That implies a change from one state upon brain death to another? now you say we are biological machines before brain death also, so what is the fundamental change? self awareness? does self awareness elevate us from a biological machine to what exactly?

[Angrboda]

[Epimethean]

Actually, Dennett has argued the point of free will with Sam Harris, and the cool thing is, they disagree without needing a goddidit.

[Annik]

We are biological machines, but we are elevated in the fact that our brains have evolved. We have abstract thought and we are self aware.

I thought you said that we become biological machines upon brain death? That implies a change from one state upon death to another? now you say we are biological machines before death also, so what is the fundamental change? self awareness? does self awareness elevate us from a biological machine to what exactly?

We become lessened. You brain is everything you are. Your memories, your personality, your skills, your movement, everything. Your brain is you. Once brain death occurs, you lose all of the "human" parts. You are stepped down from an elevated, complex machine to a working sac of organs (assuming that your brain steam is intact to keep your autonomic functions... functioning. Lol). Although, we are elevated by abstract thought more than self-awareness. Our ability to think abstractly is what separates us from animals.

[Tea Earl Grey Hot]

I thought you said that we become biological machines upon brain death? That implies a change from one state upon death to another? now you say we are biological machines before death also, so what is the fundamental change? self awareness? does self awareness elevate us from a biological machine to what exactly?

We become lessened. You brain is everything you are. Your memories, your personality, your skills, your movement, everything. Your brain is you. Once brain death occurs, you lose all of the "human" parts. You are stepped down from an elevated, complex machine to a working sac of organs (assuming that your brain steam is intact to keep your autonomic functions... functioning. Lol). Although, we are elevated by abstract thought more than self-awareness. Our ability to think abstractly is what separates us from animals.

Essentially, you become like a computer that can turn on but can't load and start its operating system.

[Annik]

We become lessened. You brain is everything you are. Your memories, your personality, your skills, your movement, everything. Your brain is you. Once brain death occurs, you lose all of the "human" parts. You are stepped down from an elevated, complex machine to a working sac of organs (assuming that your brain steam is intact to keep your autonomic functions... functioning. Lol). Although, we are elevated by abstract thought more than self-awareness. Our ability to think abstractly is what separates us from animals.

Essentially, you become like a computer that can turn on but can't load and start its operating system.

Indeed. Any data in the hard drive would be wiped, the computer is useless.