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A list of all of God's crimes
#31
RE: A list of all of God's crimes
(June 4, 2012 at 1:48 pm)Thor Wrote:
(June 3, 2012 at 9:04 pm)Godschild Wrote: So can I sue a doctor or have him/her put into prison if they refuse to see me.

Of course not. There are other doctors you can go to. But if there is only one god, and he refuses to cure your terminally ill child, where else can you go? Also, unless you are his patient, a doctor is not responsible for you. He has no obligation to take care of you. But according to people like you, "God" created us. As our creator he is then responsible for our well being. Just as I would be responsible for the well being of a child I fathered. But your deity shirks this responsibility. This makes him either an incredibly callous prick or a figment of your imagination.

There are a lot of parents including christians that do not take care of their kids, and many never see a trial for their lack of responsibility. Yet of those who do, it seems that the christians are the ones that make the news, why? I'm not saying the christians should not make the news, I wonder why they seem to be singled out more than others. It happens on this site all the time, so again I ask, why?
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#32
RE: A list of all of God's crimes
(June 4, 2012 at 10:07 pm)Godschild Wrote:
(June 4, 2012 at 1:48 pm)Thor Wrote: Of course not. There are other doctors you can go to. But if there is only one god, and he refuses to cure your terminally ill child, where else can you go? Also, unless you are his patient, a doctor is not responsible for you. He has no obligation to take care of you. But according to people like you, "God" created us. As our creator he is then responsible for our well being. Just as I would be responsible for the well being of a child I fathered. But your deity shirks this responsibility. This makes him either an incredibly callous prick or a figment of your imagination.

There are a lot of parents including christians that do not take care of their kids, and many never see a trial for their lack of responsibility. Yet of those who do, it seems that the christians are the ones that make the news, why? I'm not saying the christians should not make the news, I wonder why they seem to be singled out more than others. It happens on this site all the time, so again I ask, why?

Because God says so... being the one who supposedly created us like this and all.
Go thank him. :-)
"That is not dead which can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die." 
- Abdul Alhazred.
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#33
RE: A list of all of God's crimes
Godschild Wrote:There are a lot of parents including christians that do not take care of their kids, and many never see a trial for their lack of responsibility. Yet of those who do, it seems that the christians are the ones that make the news, why? I'm not saying the christians should not make the news, I wonder why they seem to be singled out more than others. It happens on this site all the time, so again I ask, why?

This has been "GC's Random Thought of the Day." Thank you for reading.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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#34
RE: A list of all of God's crimes
(June 4, 2012 at 1:48 pm)Thor Wrote: Good point..... However....

What would happen to a parent who refused to get medical treatment for their sick child and the child died? The parent would be criminally prosecuted. Now, according to the believers, we are all "God's children". In this context, doesn't "God" then have a responsibility to care for his children? By doing nothing and allowing a child to suffer a horrible death, is this deity not negligent in his duties? In fact, I would argue that he is responsible for every death due to starvation. A parent is most certainly required to provide food for their children (at least to the best of their ability). This deity could easily provide food to all the starving children in the world, but he chooses not to do so. This is criminal negligence.

The element of responsibility is missing in your argument here. A parent does not automatically have responsibility for his child, he can choose to forgo it via giving it up for adoption or simply paying child-support for the spouse. I mean, we don't go around prosecuting absentee parents for criminal negligence. It is only when they have assumed the responsibility and failed to meet it that they are considered guilty. God, for all intents and purposes, might as well be a deadbeat dad.
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#35
RE: A list of all of God's crimes
(June 4, 2012 at 10:07 pm)Godschild Wrote:
(June 4, 2012 at 1:48 pm)Thor Wrote: Of course not. There are other doctors you can go to. But if there is only one god, and he refuses to cure your terminally ill child, where else can you go? Also, unless you are his patient, a doctor is not responsible for you. He has no obligation to take care of you. But according to people like you, "God" created us. As our creator he is then responsible for our well being. Just as I would be responsible for the well being of a child I fathered. But your deity shirks this responsibility. This makes him either an incredibly callous prick or a figment of your imagination.

There are a lot of parents including christians that do not take care of their kids, and many never see a trial for their lack of responsibility. Yet of those who do, it seems that the christians are the ones that make the news, why? I'm not saying the christians should not make the news, I wonder why they seem to be singled out more than others. It happens on this site all the time, so again I ask, why?

Because those other child abusers didn't have so celebrated an accomplice as your father, god's child.
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#36
RE: A list of all of God's crimes
(June 4, 2012 at 10:07 pm)Godschild Wrote: There are a lot of parents including christians that do not take care of their kids, and many never see a trial for their lack of responsibility.

Because the crime is not lack of responsibility, its the assumption of responsibility and the failure to meet it.

(June 4, 2012 at 10:07 pm)Godschild Wrote: Yet of those who do, it seems that the christians are the ones that make the news, why? I'm not saying the christians should not make the news, I wonder why they seem to be singled out more than others. It happens on this site all the time, so again I ask, why?

Because it takes a particular type of stupidity to refuse medical treatment when it is available and that is particular to some types of Christianity (such as Christian Science). There are quite a few elements that have to come together for such case to make the news and those are all present in predominantly Christian countries.
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#37
RE: A list of all of God's crimes
(June 5, 2012 at 1:49 am)genkaus Wrote:
(June 4, 2012 at 10:07 pm)Godschild Wrote: Yet of those who do, it seems that the christians are the ones that make the news, why? I'm not saying the christians should not make the news, I wonder why they seem to be singled out more than others. It happens on this site all the time, so again I ask, why?

Because it takes a particular type of stupidity to refuse medical treatment when it is available and that is particular to some types of Christianity (such as Christian Science). There are quite a few elements that have to come together for such case to make the news and those are all present in predominantly Christian countries.

Yes, I understand some Christian denominations have little regard for what scripture truly teaches and it makes them standout. However there is no difference between them and parents that are not Christians when they also refuse to get help for a sick child irregardless of what they believe.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#38
RE: A list of all of God's crimes
(June 5, 2012 at 1:58 am)Godschild Wrote:
(June 5, 2012 at 1:49 am)genkaus Wrote: Because it takes a particular type of stupidity to refuse medical treatment when it is available and that is particular to some types of Christianity (such as Christian Science). There are quite a few elements that have to come together for such case to make the news and those are all present in predominantly Christian countries.

Yes, I understand some Christian denominations have little regard for what scripture truly teaches and it makes them standout. However there is no difference between them and parents that are not Christians when they also refuse to get help for a sick child irregardless of what they believe.


There is a huge difference. Parents who are not religionists refuse to get help for sick children for all sorts of different reasons. But parents who refuse to help their children in the name of religion all do so for the same reason.

Single out religion, and you address problems facing a large number of children. Single out any other cause, you but address a small fraction.

So it makes sense, to help the most children the soonest, to go for religion first.
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#39
RE: A list of all of God's crimes



@GC:

If I'm assuming correctly, that GC lives in the United States, then there is a much simpler explanation. Because Christians in this country are an overwhelming majority, statistically speaking, any given individual that does bad, is much more likely to be a Christian than any other group. There are additional factors that likely play into it as well, but the base rate is stacked against Christians. Other factors that play into it may include the following. I've been disputed on this point, but I don't think it's unreasonable to say that there is something of a secular, liberal bias in the mainstream media. If so, religion gets an even bigger target on its back. And with our "if it bleeds, it leads" approach to news, divisive aspects, like religion, are spice that makes the story more sensational. On top of that, because a Christian who does bad is not only seen as a human failure, but as a symptom of the failure of religion to deliver its moral claims, real or not, highlighting the religion angle in people with religion makes the story even hotter and more sensational.


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#40
RE: A list of all of God's crimes
(June 5, 2012 at 2:28 am)apophenia Wrote:


@GC:

If I'm assuming correctly, that GC lives in the United States, then there is a much simpler explanation. Because Christians in this country are an overwhelming majority, statistically speaking, any given individual that does bad, is much more likely to be a Christian than any other group. There are additional factors that likely play into it as well, but the base rate is stacked against Christians. Other factors that play into it may include the following. I've been disputed on this point, but I don't think it's unreasonable to say that there is something of a secular, liberal bias in the mainstream media. If so, religion gets an even bigger target on its back. And with our "if it bleeds, it leads" approach to news, divisive aspects, like religion, are spice that makes the story more sensational. On top of that, because a Christian who does bad is not only seen as a human failure, but as a symptom of the failure of religion to deliver its moral claims, real or not, highlighting the religion angle in people with religion makes the story even hotter and more sensational.



I do live in the US and I agree with what you said, the reason I asked why was to see what others thought. Thanks.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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