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RE: Where did the Jesus myth come from?
July 14, 2012 at 3:26 am
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Quote:The Greeks made Jesus up.
Evidence?
Quote:They had a God and sons of God for everything else except the new invisible God that was introduced by King Akenarten of Egypt.
Akhnaten did not worship an invisible god; he worshiped 'the Aten', literally the sun.
As for an invisible God, the Egyptians had Amum, the invisible creative power.
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Quote:Aten (also Aton, Egyptian jtn) is the disk of the sun in ancient Egyptian mythology, and originally an aspect of Ra. The deified Aten is the focus of the monolatristic, henotheistic, or monotheistic religion of Atenism established by Amenhotep IV, who later took the name Akhenaten in worship and recognition of Aten. In his poem "Great Hymn to the Aten", Akhenaten praises Aten as the creator, and giver of life. Some scholars have speculated that Psalm 104 may have been influenced by this hymn.[1]
Quote:The Aten, the sun-disk, is first referred to as a deity in The Story of Sinuhe from the 12th dynasty,[2] in which the deceased king is described as rising as god to the heavens and uniting with the sun-disk, the divine body merging with its maker.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aten
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RE: Where did the Jesus myth come from?
July 14, 2012 at 3:55 am
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There's a TV documentary on Akenarten explaining about how he stopped his people [he had his own city and ruled it himself, and did not adhere to the rest of Egypt's rule] from worshipping the sun. 'Priests' were furious but the king insisted that there must be an invisible God and so began worshipping 'him'.
There was a large community of Greeks in Judea in biblical times.
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RE: Where did the Jesus myth come from?
July 14, 2012 at 1:12 pm
There were no Greeks in Egypt during Akenaten's reign... and no Jews, either!
There is a recognizable jewish community on Elephantine Is. during the Persian period.
Egyptian history covers an immense span of time.
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RE: Where did the Jesus myth come from?
July 14, 2012 at 10:26 pm
SO Jesus is the sun?
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RE: Where did the Jesus myth come from?
July 14, 2012 at 10:29 pm
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(July 14, 2012 at 1:12 pm)Minimalist Wrote: There were no Greeks in Egypt during Akenaten's reign... and no Jews, either!
There is a recognizable jewish community on Elephantine Is. during the Persian period.
Egyptian history covers an immense span of time.
I thought there were remnants of the Hyksos, which may have been proto-Jews (more than the Jews may have been an offshoot of that civilization), living in Lower Egypt by the Nile at that time.
But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, His Son, purifies us from all sin.
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RE: Where did the Jesus myth come from?
July 15, 2012 at 8:36 am
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(July 14, 2012 at 10:26 pm)cratehorus Wrote: SO Jesus is the sun?
As I have been reading the works of Robert M Price, the dying and rising god stories in Middle Eastern mythology originated as a personification of the sun going through the seasons. Given I would fully agree with DM Murdock that a lot of ancient religion is astrological, it is not too surprising.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dying_god
The whole death and resurrection story of Jesus in the gospels is just another manifestation of this no doubt very ancient myth. A site I would recommend you to visit to read more about this is http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/
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RE: Where did the Jesus myth come from?
July 15, 2012 at 9:16 am
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RE: Where did the Jesus myth come from?
July 15, 2012 at 5:10 pm
(July 14, 2012 at 1:12 pm)Minimalist Wrote: There were no Greeks in Egypt during Akenaten's reign... and no Jews, either!
There is a recognizable jewish community on Elephantine Is. during the Persian period.
Egyptian history covers an immense span of time.
There were Greeks in Judea, I said, not Egypt
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RE: Where did the Jesus myth come from?
July 16, 2012 at 12:10 am
So what was the connective tissue between your mention of Akhenaten (who did not stop his people worshiping the sun but rather promoted the sun as the superdivinity) and Greeks in Judea?
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RE: Where did the Jesus myth come from?
July 16, 2012 at 12:43 am
Quote:I thought there were remnants of the Hyksos, which may have been proto-Jews (more than the Jews may have been an offshoot of that civilization), living in Lower Egypt by the Nile at that time.
The Hyksos were Canaanites. There is no obvious connection to them and the later "jews". Besides, the Hyksos were rulers not slaves.
Curiously, the were thrown out by a ruler named Ahmose I. Ahmose? Moses? Interesting.
Except Ahmose means Son of Ah while "moses" by itself would mean son of no one. Not a very princely name, eh?
Quote:There were Greeks in Judea, I said, not Egypt
Well, then you lost me on the Akenaten thing, too. One has nothing to do with the other.
As for any Greek presence in Judaea, I have to ask when? Greeks and Persia were officially at war from 500 BC until Alexander overran Persia c 332 BC. Persia had solid control of Yehud ( which is what they called Judaea ) until Alex came rolling through. Any sizeable community of Greeks had either be mercenaries in the employ of the Persians or they would have been enemies. After Alexander, of course, the Greeks do move in.
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