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RE: Logical fallacies in the Bible?
June 15, 2012 at 12:58 pm
(June 14, 2012 at 3:45 am)apophenia Wrote: ...So again, what do you hope to accomplish by identifying logical fallacies, and is your expectation realistic?
I'm mainly doing this out of curiosity. Ideally it would be great if I could chance across a completely blatant logical fallacy or two that would give the believer a hard time solving without resorting to an incorrect exegesis. I don't know if such a fallacy exists however in the book. Judging by the effect exposing contradictions has had against Christians, showing a few fallacies probably won't have a big effect against them but for a small minority it might sway them a little farther away from the faith than otherwise.
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RE: Logical fallacies in the Bible?
June 15, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Pads already offered you one textbook example, whether or not it was added later has precisely zero effect on whether or not it's in there now.
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RE: Logical fallacies in the Bible?
June 15, 2012 at 1:53 pm
(June 15, 2012 at 1:08 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Pads already offered you one textbook example, whether or not it was added later has precisely zero effect on whether or not it's in there now.
The problem though is that even many fundamentalists now recognize that passage was added later. I've read this view from fundamentalist books on Bible interpretation (which within modern fundamentalism are mainstream books). It's not just a position held under secular scholars. If I come across someone who thinks it really was part of the Bible (and is aware of the controversy over its authenticity) then, yeah, I might point the fallacy out. But for the number of Christians who now recognize it's inauthentic, I might as well start citing problems in the apocryphal books to them.
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RE: Logical fallacies in the Bible?
June 15, 2012 at 2:30 pm
(June 15, 2012 at 5:10 am)Stimbo Wrote: I wouldn't be so hard on our Min. I, like Annik and almost certainly others, have been having a quiet little giggle at your... pun? ... ever since it appeared. If it was intentional, nice one. If not, nice one.
Yes, it was a planned pun, glad to know people enjoyed it, that was my intention.
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RE: Logical fallacies in the Bible?
June 15, 2012 at 2:44 pm
(This post was last modified: June 15, 2012 at 2:46 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
No problem, lets see them go ahead and cut that part of the text out of their bibles Tea? As long as they leave it in there (for whatever reason -in this case, I figure that they leave it because it sounds nice, and they like things that sound nice-) then it's a moot point. It is there, it is a textbook fallacy, and that is precisely what you asked for, is it not? Are you suggesting that apologists might offer an excuse that allows them to weasel their way out of any given part of of the text? This would be surprising exactly how......
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Logical fallacies in the Bible?
June 15, 2012 at 5:58 pm
(June 15, 2012 at 2:44 pm)Rhythm Wrote: No problem, lets see them go ahead and cut that part of the text out of their bibles Tea? As long as they leave it in there (for whatever reason -in this case, I figure that they leave it because it sounds nice, and they like things that sound nice-) then it's a moot point. It is there, it is a textbook fallacy, and that is precisely what you asked for, is it not? Are you suggesting that apologists might offer an excuse that allows them to weasel their way out of any given part of of the text? This would be surprising exactly how......
You can still find it in modern translations but often it's in brackets or has a footnote explaining its origins. They probably leave it in there because the casual uninformed readers might get angry. And there's still those who think it's original (usually KJV-only nutters).
And yes, it's a fallacy. I just think it'd be unfair to use it against those who recognize the passage is inauthentic.
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RE: Logical fallacies in the Bible?
June 15, 2012 at 6:08 pm
(June 15, 2012 at 2:30 pm)Godschild Wrote: (June 15, 2012 at 5:10 am)Stimbo Wrote: I wouldn't be so hard on our Min. I, like Annik and almost certainly others, have been having a quiet little giggle at your... pun? ... ever since it appeared. If it was intentional, nice one. If not, nice one.
Yes, it was a planned pun, glad to know people enjoyed it, that was my intention.
So you don't know what a fucking "pun" is, either. Figures. Add it to the long list of things which you know nothing about.
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Using a word or words that have more than 1 meaning.
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2. Our social studies teacher says that her globe means the world to her.
3. A jury is never satisfied with the verdict. The jury always returns it.
4. Sir Lancelot once had a very bad dream about his horse. It was a knight mare.
5. A dog not only has a fur coat but also pants.
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RE: Logical fallacies in the Bible?
June 18, 2012 at 1:34 am
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Ooooo, this was just posted in another thread. I think I caught myself some sort of fallacy of composition or something like it.
James 2:10: For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it.
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RE: Logical fallacies in the Bible?
July 9, 2012 at 2:47 pm
The bible is itself one big logical fallacy.
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RE: Logical fallacies in the Bible?
July 9, 2012 at 4:19 pm
(July 9, 2012 at 2:47 pm)Opsnyder Wrote: The bible is itself one big logical fallacy.
Proof please, and don't give the same old and tiring bunk seen here all the time, be original if you can, by the way welcome to the forum.
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