A person on another forum was mean to me!

[Deicide73]

I applaud the father for removing this vile "person" from existence. I believe that if you rape and torture a child you forfeit your life. I would have done the same.

You can be happy such a person is dead but what gives you the right to commit murder yourself?

The right of being a father in order to protected his child from danger. I would hope any and all parents would do the same.

[Autumnlicious]

So, all I need to do is misidentify a situation and recast it into "protecting my child" and it's AOK?

Get over yourself.

What we know of the case is that we went into the event to protect his daughter. He didn't stop and think, going "Am I now allowed to use deadly force?". He just leapt into the fray, struck his blows and realized he did more than he intended -- the intent was to stop his daughter from being violated not "I'm going to kill".

Arguing about how "right" it is to kill is completely missing the point -- that accidents happen and even murder is committed through them. We recognize that and come up with terms like saying "deadly force is legally ok".

But that doesn't give anyone free reign to commit murder and then claim it was for "protection" unless a clear and consistent pattern can be shown that would convince a jury that there was no other recourse, while answering the question "why didn't you get the police".

For the aforementioned father who was protecting his daughter, he was the fastest responder and in his statements and phone records leans his intent closer to that of simple protection than suddenly law-sanctioned murder.

I feel bad for the guy because now:
- he has to live with the guilt of killing someone
- other assholes keep patting him over his back for killing, thus glorifying a singular part of what he considered awful (quotes to 911 saying "He's going to... die on me!")
- all he intended to do was protect his daughter and he should be recognized for that but will have that sidelined in deference to above and below statements
- people will not let him forget this because it's now a political message that attracts "All criminals should be drawn and quartered" contingent

[Deicide73]

So, all I need to do is misidentify a situation and recast it into "protecting my child" and it's AOK?

Get over yourself.

What we know of the case is that we went into the event to protect his daughter. He didn't stop and think, going "Am I now allowed to use deadly force?". He just leapt into the fray, struck his blows and realized he did more than he intended -- the intent was to stop his daughter from being violated not "I'm going to kill".

Arguing about how "right" it is to kill is completely missing the point -- that accidents happen and even murder is committed through them. We recognize that and come up with terms like saying "deadly force is legally ok".

But that doesn't give anyone free reign to commit murder and then claim it was for "protection" unless a clear and consistent pattern can be shown that would convince a jury that there was no other recourse, while answering the question "why didn't you get the police".

For the aforementioned father who was protecting his daughter, he was the fastest responder and in his statements and phone records leans his intent closer to that of simple protection than suddenly law-sanctioned murder.

I feel bad for the guy because now:
- he has to live with the guilt of killing someone
- other assholes keep patting him over his back for killing, thus glorifying a singular part of what he considered awful (quotes to 911 saying "He's going to... die on me!")
- all he intended to do was protect his daughter and he should be recognized for that but will have that sidelined in deference to above and below statements
- people will not let him forget this because it's now a political message that attracts "All criminals should be drawn and quartered" contingent

Well he sure did protect her. He' not going to do it again, is he. But I'm sure you would like if he was still alive wasting our tax dollars. Getting his "3 hots and a cot" while your child goes through the psychological trauma of going through that horrible event and the thought that he is still alive and possibly one day getting out of prison and doing it again. Yeah, that's a lot better.

[Annik]

Your knee-jerk reaction should not be your primary one. Yes, the man did something horrible, but that's why we have a court system.

[Anomalocaris]

You can be happy such a person is dead but what gives you the right to commit murder yourself?

The right of being a father in order to protected his child from danger. I would hope any and all parents would do the same.

A parent who does not recognize that certain things temps his right to protect his children is nothing more than an animal.

[liam]

The human race sucks.

[Autumnlicious]

Well he sure did protect her. He' not going to do it again, is he. But I'm sure you would like if he was still alive wasting our tax dollars. Getting his "3 hots and a cot" while your child goes through the psychological trauma of going through that horrible event and the thought that he is still alive and possibly one day getting out of prison and doing it again. Yeah, that's a lot better.

If you seriously think prison is such a nice place, why don't you go to one?

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

So, all I need to do is misidentify a situation and recast it into "protecting my child" and it's AOK?

I don't think anyone said that Moros. I didn't, nor did I mean to imply any such thing. IN THIS CASE: the father catches a man actually raping his 5 year old child and instinctively protects her,one of THE most basic human instincts.. That he rang 911 to get the guy help suggests he did not intend to kill him. He committed neither murder nor manslaughter in my opinion. The authorities in question agree.


I have no problem with the death penalty for say raping and/or killing a child or committing murder for personal gain,IN PRINCIPLE. However,I do not support it in practice only because a safe conviction cannot be guaranteed.

[Deicide73]

Well he sure did protect her. He' not going to do it again, is he. But I'm sure you would like if he was still alive wasting our tax dollars. Getting his "3 hots and a cot" while your child goes through the psychological trauma of going through that horrible event and the thought that he is still alive and possibly one day getting out of prison and doing it again. Yeah, that's a lot better.

If you seriously think prison is such a nice place, why don't you go to one?

I never said I thought prison was a nice place. Not sure where you got that from. All I'm saying is that the guy got what was coming to him.

[Welsh cake]

Where are you guys pulling this "didn't deserve to die" bullshit from? o__0

He. Raped. A. Five. Year. Old. Girl.

Please stop abusing your common sense by devaluing life to raise up murderers and rapists to our level. Geez.

"Many that live deserve death. And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your own safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends."

You can spend all night digging for quotes if it makes you happy.

Meanwhile, during that night I caught two thieves trying to break into my property, goodness knows what for, they escaped before the useless police arrived, hurling all manner of death threats and vile gestures against me and that they'll return tomorrow. I'm staying up all night, and I'm supporting the return of capital punishment.