A person on another forum was mean to me!

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

There was this thread about a man in Texas who caught a scumbag raping his 5 year old daughter and beat said scumbag to death. Authorities have declined to charge father.


My response

Am I glad the scumbag is dead?No,even a little bit; the world is better off without him

A person replied to my comment:

Such attitudes like this make me ill to be a human. All life has a value to it, and that is why murderers have protection and why the death penalty is wrong. I may not approve what the man did, in fact it disgusts me, but by no means do I judge the man and say the world is a better place. He may have needed intense psychological therapy and counselling.

My utterly rational response was:

What can I say? Shove your phoney bleeding heart liberalism up you arse

Was I perhaps a bit too terse?

The full article:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18522383

[Cato]

Terse? He he, ha ha, wo wo, uhm....er.....blah...

What I found conspicuously missing was some derivation of the word 'fuck'. Are you 'fucking' stupid? You are 'fuck' all nuts! For 'fuck's' sake. This is a 'fucking' joke, right? Or, just plain 'Fuuuuuuckkkkk'.

[Tempus]

This is relevant, I think:

The sudden and uncontrollable paedophilia exhibited by a 40-year-old man was caused by an egg-sized brain tumour, his doctors have told a scientific conference. And once the tumour had been removed, his sex-obsession disappeared.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn29...hilia.html

While it mightn't make what has happened okay, it's possible (if a slim chance) that the perpetrator's judgement / control was compromised. What if one of us suddenly became sexually attracted to children? Would you seek help immediately? "Yeah, I think about children and they turn me on." - can you imagine confessing that to anyone? It may be that someone thinks they can keep those desires at bay, not realising that if they continue going untreated they'll get worse. Again, I'm not saying this is a frequent occurrence or that it's happened in the mentioned case, but what if it did? Best to know as many details as you can before you sentence someone, especially when it's a death sentence.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

This is relevant, I think:

Not to me,in THIS case,based on the limited information I have.

[Welsh cake]

Happy the child-fucker's gone.

Such attitudes like this make me ill to be a human. All life has a value to it, and that is why murderers have protection and why the death penalty is wrong. I may not approve what the man did, in fact it disgusts me, but by no means do I judge the man and say the world is a better place. He may have needed intense psychological therapy and counselling.

What a commonly invoked yet retarded argument that person used. 'Life has inherent value' bullshit again.

Murderers deserve no protection from society or any individual.

When you intentionally kill another innocent person, without justifiable cause, defence or provocation, you forfeit all human rights. By taking away another person's right to live, you have surrendered your own right to live.

Every minute, every second, you live while that person you killed has ceased to exist, is an insult to the rest of us. You deserve nothing short of a swift execution.

[Tiberius]

Taking the law into your own hands should not be encouraged. This is what the law enforcement are trained for; they know how to deal with it properly. In another reality, the father confronted the rapist and the rapist drew a gun and shot him. In another reality, the father called the police, the rapist was arrested, and he spent the rest of his life behind bars.

I don't agree with the death penalty for numerous reasons; Tempus brought up just one of them (doubt over actual guilt). There are plenty of reasons why people do things; not all of them can be linked down to a conscious decision by them. People can be influenced to do horrible things that they would not normally do. Without an investigation, this cannot be shown.

We should never assume someone is guilty; we have processes which (most of the time) work and can deduce whether a party is guilty or not of a certain crime. The fact that they do not work 100% of the time is even more reason to steer clear of the death penalty. I would rather set a guilty man free, than have an innocent one put to death. There are no circumstances where we should assume guilt; human factors will always come into play at some point, and humans cannot be trusted to remain unbiased or give accurate testimony.

Now in this case in particular, it seems that the father acted in what one could construe as defence of his child. That is, in order to stop the crime being committed, he had to intervene. It certainly seems like he was upset that the guy was dying; which in a court of law should indicate that the father never intended to kill the attacker, only to wound him enough to make him stop. The father was investigated for homicide, which was a good move. So, whilst I disagree with the notion of taking the law into your own hands, in some cases it is unavoidable. I would feel very differently if the father had reported the crime and said "I beat him until he stopped breathing". Murder is murder, even if the victim is a criminal.

[cratehorus]

I googled this article to find out what happened and found this one: http://articles.cnn.com/2012-06-11/justi...PM:JUSTICE

At the bottom of the article (with no link or detail), is this statement "18 rescued in child pornography raids, feds say". Why is that not treated as news?

[Brian37]

There was this thread about a man in Texas who caught a scumbag raping his 5 year old daughter and beat said scumbag to death. Authorities have declined to charge father.


My response

Am I glad the scumbag is dead?No,even a little bit; the world is better off without him

A person replied to my comment:

Such attitudes like this make me ill to be a human. All life has a value to it, and that is why murderers have protection and why the death penalty is wrong. I may not approve what the man did, in fact it disgusts me, but by no means do I judge the man and say the world is a better place. He may have needed intense psychological therapy and counselling.

My utterly rational response was:

What can I say? Shove your phoney bleeding heart liberalism up you arse

Was I perhaps a bit too terse?

The full article:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18522383

While I feel no sympathy for this molester or any, there IS a real danger in emotional reactions and taking the law into your own hands. NOT THIS GUY AND NOT ONE CASE.

Here is the problem with what dad did. It wasn't that he stopped it, or even assaulted the guy. Fine, understandable. I would have done the same.

BUT because the guy died and was not put on trial, AND would have been dealt with in prison, prisoners DONT like child molesters.

The problem with humans is that the can and do lie, not this dad per say, but humans can and do lie. So with "he said she said" cases it could make it easy for someone in the future, for the mere fact they don't like you murder you and say "he molested my kid".

Now to say that never happens is utter bullshit. 13 adults from a day care center were arrested back in the 80s. 5 of them spent time in prison. Why? Because of an over zealous society, untrained police, and over zealous prosicutors that scared the kids into lying on the stand. They were put in jail AND were innocent.

It simply would have been better for dad, to throw enough punches to stop him, hand him over to the cops, let the courts take care of him, and after convicted, let the prisoners deal with him.

THE POINT BEING it is a bad idea to foster a climate in a society of "vigilante" and "get even".

It is ok to have an emotional reaction to a crime, but it is not a good idea LONG TERM for that society to presume guilt.

So DON'T make this about this guy and this case. Think long term for your own rights if YOU get falsely accused OF ANYTHING.

That is not a "liberal" view. The founders demanded that a record be made "WARRANT" based on "Probable cause". In other words the government cant simply do anything they want to you just because they don't like you.

[Annik]

Despite everything, we have no right to claim authority over another person's right to live.

That's just what I think, as I am anti-death penalty.

[Deicide73]

I applaud the father for removing this vile "person" from existence. I believe that if you rape and torture a child you forfeit your life. I would have done the same.