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RE: I can feel your anger
July 12, 2012 at 4:52 am
[ Quote: All I'm arguing against is the claim that atheism is not a belief or not an applied set of views. It is. It may be right, it may be wrong, But it requires a certain mindset
Again the failed attempt at shifting the burden of proof. "Atheism is a belief/applied set of values/requires a certain mindset" are YOUR positive claims and it is up to you to prove each.
Disbelief in fairytale beings is not a belief or applied set of views. Your assertion-by-fiat is incoherent and unsupportable.
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RE: I can feel your anger
July 12, 2012 at 4:53 am
(This post was last modified: July 12, 2012 at 4:55 am by Selliedjoup.)
(July 12, 2012 at 4:25 am)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote: Congrats, SJ.
Most. Incoherent. Post. Ever.
If you were my intended target I wouldn't have posted it. 
(July 12, 2012 at 4:52 am)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote: [Quote: All I'm arguing against is the claim that atheism is not a belief or not an applied set of views. It is. It may be right, it may be wrong, But it requires a certain mindset
Again the failed attempt at shifting the burden of proof. "Atheism is a belief/applied set of values/requires a certain mindset" are YOUR positive claims and it is up to you to prove each.
Disbelief in fairytale beings is not a belief or applied set of views. Your assertion-by-fiat is incoherent and unsupportable.
If it's incoherent how do you attempt to assess that I'm trying to shift the burden of proof?
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RE: I can feel your anger
July 12, 2012 at 4:58 am
(July 12, 2012 at 4:52 am)Selliedjoup Wrote: (July 12, 2012 at 4:14 am)Ace Otana Wrote: Another misconception.
It's simply amazing how so many people still get it wrong. Something that's really fucking easy to understand.
I understand that's what you claim, I've just outlined why I don't believe it to be the case.
Tell me why your belief is not absolute. Because if god shows himself to you, you will believe?
It's disbelief rather than belief. You are equivocating again.
IF there were such a creature, and IF it were to conclusively demonstrate its existence, of course it would be reasonable to believe.
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RE: I can feel your anger
July 12, 2012 at 4:58 am
Quote:I understand that's what you claim, I've just outlined why I don't believe it to be the case.
It's the definition of atheism. It stems from Greek - Theos = Belief in god. Atheos = Without belief in god.
θεϊστής (theist)
αθεϊστής(atheist)
Quote:Tell me why your belief is not absolute. Because if god shows himself to you, you will believe?
Well my 'lack of belief' does not involve any absolutes. It's simply a stance regarding the claim that a god exists.
I acknowledge that I do not/cannot know whether a god exists or not, however I have rejected the claim. No claim has been made. I'm responding to a claim, not creating one.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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RE: I can feel your anger
July 12, 2012 at 5:00 am
I claim a god may exist then.
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RE: I can feel your anger
July 12, 2012 at 5:01 am
(This post was last modified: July 12, 2012 at 5:10 am by Taqiyya Mockingbird.)
(July 12, 2012 at 4:53 am)Selliedjoup Wrote: (July 12, 2012 at 4:25 am)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote: Congrats, SJ.
Most. Incoherent. Post. Ever.
If you were my intended target I wouldn't have posted it.=/
Your streak of incoherence remains intact.
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Quote: (July 12, 2012 at 4:52 am)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote: [
Again the failed attempt at shifting the burden of proof. "Atheism is a belief/applied set of values/requires a certain mindset" are YOUR positive claims and it is up to you to prove each.
Disbelief in fairytale beings is not a belief or applied set of views. Your assertion-by-fiat is incoherent and unsupportable.
If it's incoherent how do you attempt to assess that I'm trying to shift the burden of proof?
That small part of the incoherent whole was at least discernable. I note your failed attempt to dodge the charge.
(July 12, 2012 at 5:00 am)Selliedjoup Wrote: I claim a god may exist then.
What's a god?
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RE: I can feel your anger
July 12, 2012 at 5:05 am
Something which may exist, and is unable to be observed.
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RE: I can feel your anger
July 12, 2012 at 5:13 am
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(July 12, 2012 at 5:05 am)Selliedjoup Wrote: Something which may exist, and is unable to be observed.
Deliberately vague as fuck. Could be anything.
Invisible pink unicorns and flying spaghetti monsters come to mind. As well as a bed made of sleep .
So a Higgs boson is a god. Check.
And if your still-totally undefined god-thing were to reveal itself -- something which, by your attribution, would be impossible for it to do -- it would immediately cease to exist, or cease to be 'a god'.
Your "definition" --really anything BUT a definition -- is a non-starter.
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RE: I can feel your anger
July 12, 2012 at 5:16 am
(July 12, 2012 at 5:05 am)Selliedjoup Wrote: Something which may exist, and is unable to be observed.
Many things may exist, pixies for example. Just because something 'may' exist doesn't mean it does.
I acknowledge that it may be possible for a god to exist and that there may indeed be a god, however I seriously doubt it. I don't believe there is such a thing, haven't seen any thing to suggest that he/it does. So I rule it out. Dismiss it as another one of man's made up characters.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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RE: I can feel your anger
July 12, 2012 at 5:18 am
(This post was last modified: July 12, 2012 at 5:19 am by Tiberius.)
An absolute claim that something "may" exist is exactly the same as a relative claim that something does / does not.
In both cases, you are not claiming any specific truth other than a law of logic that is already assumed true (A or not A).
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