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June 7, 2013 at 10:00 am
(June 7, 2013 at 7:00 am)bennyboy Wrote: (June 7, 2013 at 4:52 am)Aractus Wrote: Toxic gasses? From burning oil.
You can get that from working at MacDonalds benny. That's how my asthma started.  Many lung cancers are attributed to the burning of cooking oil in Asia and the middle east. Are you going to tell those people to stop eating?
Synthetics are made from the esters of petro-chemicals, are you going to stop your little one from wearing that cheap T-shirt made in China?
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June 7, 2013 at 12:44 pm
(June 7, 2013 at 10:00 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: (June 7, 2013 at 7:00 am)bennyboy Wrote: From burning oil.
You can get that from working at MacDonalds benny. That's how my asthma started. Many lung cancers are attributed to the burning of cooking oil in Asia and the middle east. Are you going to tell those people to stop eating?
Synthetics are made from the esters of petro-chemicals, are you going to stop your little one from wearing that cheap T-shirt made in China?
They could always wear cotton grown right here in the U.S. of A.
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June 7, 2013 at 10:21 pm
(June 7, 2013 at 10:00 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: (June 7, 2013 at 7:00 am)bennyboy Wrote: From burning oil.
You can get that from working at MacDonalds benny. That's how my asthma started. Many lung cancers are attributed to the burning of cooking oil in Asia and the middle east. Are you going to tell those people to stop eating?
Synthetics are made from the esters of petro-chemicals, are you going to stop your little one from wearing that cheap T-shirt made in China?
Maybe. Due to atopy, Koreans are becoming very suspicious of pollutants, artificial ingredients, etc. I'm not Korean, but living in a purely industrial society that is becoming suspicious of the industrial process is an interesting thing.
Anyway, there's an important difference between the things you mentioned, which are lifestyle choices, and much of the pollution that is put out by big business, which affects me but over which I have no choice. For example, I choose to live in the Seoul area, which I know is polluted, because of the economic opportunities available to me here. However, I do not choose to have fish stocks destroyed by greedy fisheries, rainforests cleared by farmers on the behalf of big food industries, or giant holes dug in delicate ecosystems because oil companies can parade a long list of hired "scientists" who are willing to lie about the results.
On the other hand, I agree that education is important. I recently moved into a building close to a high-voltage power line. It was only after hours of research that I discovered there was no good science supporting a link to cancer, and was willing to move in. The Republican oil-drillers aren't necessarily the only liars out there.
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June 7, 2013 at 10:30 pm
(June 7, 2013 at 12:44 pm)orogenicman Wrote: (June 7, 2013 at 10:00 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: You can get that from working at MacDonalds benny. That's how my asthma started. Many lung cancers are attributed to the burning of cooking oil in Asia and the middle east. Are you going to tell those people to stop eating?
Synthetics are made from the esters of petro-chemicals, are you going to stop your little one from wearing that cheap T-shirt made in China?
They could always wear cotton grown right here in the U.S. of A.
And very good cotton it is too. You are lucky to have the water to produce it.
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June 7, 2013 at 10:37 pm
(June 7, 2013 at 10:21 pm)bennyboy Wrote: I'm not Korean, but living in a purely industrial society that is becoming suspicious of the industrial process is an interesting thing. You know, I wonder what that might have to do with peoples awareness of how infused with "industry" their lives have become? For some of us, it's been that way awhile...but I doubt that many people had reason to think about it much because most seem pretty unawares. That being said, we're suspicious creatures - at times - and as we achieve a greater understanding of those things that surround us in life it almost seems purely consequential that we would transfer our suspicion for things like -deep deep holes- to industrial processes. Not that we don't have reason to be suspicious, mind you...but I'm willing to bet that we would be even if we didn't.
Quote: I do not choose to have fish stocks destroyed by greedy fisheries, rainforests cleared by farmers on the behalf of big food industries, or giant holes dug in delicate ecosystems because oil companies can parade a long list of hired "scientists" who are willing to lie about the results.
It's a rough line that we've had to hack out of the wilderness to "make it all work" -to be sure. Thankfully we're finding ourselves (more and more) in a position to readdress some of this stuff, do it differently going forward. Not quite there yet, but we at least have an idea of where "there" is, eh?
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June 7, 2013 at 10:37 pm
(June 7, 2013 at 10:21 pm)bennyboy Wrote: Maybe. Due to atopy, Koreans are becoming very suspicious of pollutants, artificial ingredients, etc. I'm not Korean, but living in a purely industrial society that is becoming suspicious of the industrial process is an interesting thing.
Anyway, there's an important difference between the things you mentioned, which are lifestyle choices, and much of the pollution that is put out by big business, which affects me but over which I have no choice. For example, I choose to live in the Seoul area, which I know is polluted, because of the economic opportunities available to me here. However, I do not choose to have fish stocks destroyed by greedy fisheries, rainforests cleared by farmers on the behalf of big food industries, or giant holes dug in delicate ecosystems because oil companies can parade a long list of hired "scientists" who are willing to lie about the results.
On the other hand, I agree that education is important. I recently moved into a building close to a high-voltage power line. It was only after hours of research that I discovered there was no good science supporting a link to cancer, and was willing to move in. The Republican oil-drillers aren't necessarily the only liars out there.
Hmmm. There's the rub. The impotence of your average punter against the very thing that sustains him/ her. The opportunities of big business.
I am not disputing that an higher ethical ideal is required in business nor that the the attraction of the "fast monetary gain" should not be called into question
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June 8, 2013 at 1:49 am
(June 7, 2013 at 10:30 pm)KichigaiNeko Wrote: (June 7, 2013 at 12:44 pm)orogenicman Wrote: They could always wear cotton grown right here in the U.S. of A.
And very good cotton it is too. You are lucky to have the water to produce it.
That's true.
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June 8, 2013 at 2:09 am
Don't forget our wonderful defoliants. Also crucial to the process.
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June 8, 2013 at 2:53 am
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(June 8, 2013 at 2:09 am)Rhythm Wrote: Don't forget our wonderful defoliants. Also crucial to the process.
 Unfortunately yes.
Thing to is Rhythm, with climate change.... do we have any information that is useful to farmers? Case in point is the said cotton crop, with rainfall and snow melt limiting the amount of water for a traditionally high water level farming area, what models do we have that could indicate where we may expect to be able to farm?
Yeah, unfortunately I am neither pastoralist or agronomist 
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