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RE: How is the American Revolution taught in the UK?
July 9, 2012 at 7:10 pm
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At the least they could teach it as the british civil war, that ended in a stalemate. Which it generally did because the colonist didn't fight the full might of britian, thanks to the french. So the british just said to hell with it and gave it to us. On top of that it was really unpopular in britain at the time because they didn't see them as american's, they saw them as british and nobody want's to kill their own kin.
By the way moros, it was a civil war. Unless you would like to call the American civil war a revolution also? Who's revolution would it be anyways? Probobly the south's they just didn't win but they were the rebels.
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RE: How is the American Revolution taught in the UK?
July 9, 2012 at 7:20 pm
It's interesting to learn that not much is mentioned about it in the UK. It was actually a pretty interesting war, as wars go.
I don't really celebrate the 4th, honestly. It's hard for me to get all misty-eyed and patriotic over the independence day of a nation built on the backs of slaves and washed in the blood of it's native people. I have never felt I belong here.
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RE: How is the American Revolution taught in the UK?
July 9, 2012 at 7:23 pm
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(July 9, 2012 at 7:20 pm)aleialoura Wrote: It's interesting to learn that not much is mentioned about it in the UK. It was actually a pretty interesting war, as wars go.
I don't really celebrate the 4th, honestly. It's hard for me to get all misty-eyed and patriotic over the independence day of a nation built on the backs of slaves and washed in the blood of it's native people. I have never felt I belong here.
That's because you are an american, not one of these.
- People who believe their “way of life” is under attack
- People who are “fiercely nationalistic (as opposed to universal and international in orientation)
-People who consider themselves “anti-global” (presumably those who are wary of the loss of American sovereignty)
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RE: How is the American Revolution taught in the UK?
July 9, 2012 at 7:57 pm
(July 9, 2012 at 7:23 pm)JohnDG Wrote: (July 9, 2012 at 7:20 pm)aleialoura Wrote: It's interesting to learn that not much is mentioned about it in the UK. It was actually a pretty interesting war, as wars go.
I don't really celebrate the 4th, honestly. It's hard for me to get all misty-eyed and patriotic over the independence day of a nation built on the backs of slaves and washed in the blood of it's native people. I have never felt I belong here.
That's because you are an american, not one of these.
- People who believe their “way of life” is under attack
- People who are “fiercely nationalistic (as opposed to universal and international in orientation)
-People who consider themselves “anti-global” (presumably those who are wary of the loss of American sovereignty)
There are a lot of good people and cultures that are under attack!
Enjoying a particular culture is not the opposite of having a universal reference. In fact having security in your own roots leads to a more open culture.
I can be anti global, because I don't like the current agenda of globalisation to put economic values above all others.
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RE: How is the American Revolution taught in the UK?
July 9, 2012 at 8:46 pm
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(July 9, 2012 at 7:10 pm)JohnDG Wrote: By the way moros, it was a civil war. Unless you would like to call the American civil war a revolution also? Who's revolution would it be anyways? Probobly the south's they just didn't win but they were the rebels.
By calling it a "civil war", you've now conflated colonial revolts with warring states in an empire.
By that standard, isn't this ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India%27s_F...%28term%29 ) a civil war for Britain as well instead of a series of disparate, partially organized revolts?
I'm not certain you'll find many historians who'd characterize it as a such.
They might characterize it as a civil war for Indians, but not for the British.
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RE: How is the American Revolution taught in the UK?
July 9, 2012 at 9:08 pm
(July 9, 2012 at 8:46 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote: (July 9, 2012 at 7:10 pm)JohnDG Wrote: By the way moros, it was a civil war. Unless you would like to call the American civil war a revolution also? Who's revolution would it be anyways? Probobly the south's they just didn't win but they were the rebels.
By calling it a "civil war", you've now conflated colonial revolts with warring states in an empire.
By that standard, isn't this ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India%27s_F...%28term%29 ) a civil war for Britain as well instead of a series of disparate, partially organized revolts?
I'm not certain you'll find many historians who'd characterize it as a such.
They might characterize it as a civil war for Indians, but not for the British.
Civil War and Rebellion are used during a geographically isolated conflict. History will remember the same conflict as a Civil War or Revolution based on which faction retains or gains power after the conflict.
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RE: How is the American Revolution taught in the UK?
July 12, 2012 at 12:57 pm
JohnDG Wrote:At the least they could teach it as the british civil war, that ended in a stalemate.
Britain has had many civil wars. The only one usually named as such was 1642 - 51, but before that we had the Anarchy (1134 - 54), the Wars of the Roses (1455 - 85), the Barons' wars, the De Montfort rebellion, the War of the Three Kingdoms (1689 - 1745)... there have been so many more, it's just a matter of where you draw the line between a war and a smaller conflict.
The American War of Independence was not fought on home ground, so we think of it as a foreign war. As long as America belonged to us, it was a rebellion.
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RE: How is the American Revolution taught in the UK?
July 12, 2012 at 1:10 pm
A rebellion by some of the LEAST taxed people in the empire over a slight raise in taxes.
The more things change, the more things stay the same.
(Actually it was about the British treaty with the indians that limited expansion into the lush and gold bearing interior, Americans wanted to be free to plunder the land).
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RE: How is the American Revolution taught in the UK?
July 12, 2012 at 1:41 pm
(July 12, 2012 at 1:10 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: (Actually it was about the British treaty with the indians that limited expansion into the lush and gold bearing interior, Americans wanted to be free to plunder the land).
Well thank goodness that sort of thing never happened in Canada
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RE: How is the American Revolution taught in the UK?
July 12, 2012 at 1:43 pm
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(July 12, 2012 at 1:10 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: A rebellion by some of the LEAST taxed people in the empire over a slight raise in taxes.
The more things change, the more things stay the same.
(Actually it was about the British treaty with the indians that limited expansion into the lush and gold bearing interior, Americans wanted to be free to plunder the land).
Hey, it was your idiot nation's fault to not make Benjamin Franklin a token representative of parliament or appoint a representative.
You could've easily stonewalled their demands while giving them the representation they asked for. It would've at least won you more support and perhaps even stagnated the desire to break away. 
Inept management of colonies is usually a prime factor in them breaking away.
Not to mention, by making treaties with the Native American tribes without involving the other party (IE a representative of the colonies) that injured and was injured to arbitrate and agree is just another example of British-head-up-ass syndrome.
Honestly, it's like you never understood your own countrymen and colonies...
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