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Question for both Christians and Muslims.
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RE: Question for both Christians and Muslims.
July 10, 2012 at 5:53 pm
(July 10, 2012 at 1:45 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: In case of Christianity:

Is it that disbelievers are to be damned for disbelieving or do disbelievers disbelieve because they are damned?

Disbelievers damn themselves (here and now). Predestination would suggest God already knows for sure. In the end, all are drawn to him. So none are damned eternally (an abused translation).
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RE: Question for both Christians and Muslims.
July 10, 2012 at 6:07 pm
I don't mean they are pre-destined to be damned. I mean in the sense, they are in a damned state.
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RE: Question for both Christians and Muslims.
July 10, 2012 at 6:40 pm
(July 10, 2012 at 6:07 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I don't mean they are pre-destined to be damned. I mean in the sense, they are in a damned state.

Until one sees that they are in a lost condition because of sin and then becomes a believer are here and now damned.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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Re: RE: Question for both Christians and Muslims.
July 10, 2012 at 6:47 pm
(July 10, 2012 at 6:07 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I don't mean they are pre-destined to be damned. I mean in the sense, they are in a damned state.

Ok. No love is for all. Some refuse it.
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RE: Question for both Christians and Muslims.
July 10, 2012 at 6:47 pm
(July 10, 2012 at 6:40 pm)Godschild Wrote: Until one sees that they are in a lost condition because of sin and then becomes a believer are here and now damned.

But what is the reasons they don't see themselves as in a lost condition because of sin and then become believers?
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Re: RE: Question for both Christians and Muslims.
July 10, 2012 at 6:54 pm
(July 10, 2012 at 6:47 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: But what is the reasons they don't see themselves as in a lost condition because of sin and then become believers?

If you are unaware of something, becoming aware makes you see the limitation of your unaware state.
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RE: Question for both Christians and Muslims.
July 10, 2012 at 10:32 pm (This post was last modified: July 10, 2012 at 10:33 pm by Reforged.)
(July 10, 2012 at 5:53 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:
(July 10, 2012 at 1:45 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: In case of Christianity:

Is it that disbelievers are to be damned for disbelieving or do disbelievers disbelieve because they are damned?

Disbelievers damn themselves (here and now). Predestination would suggest God already knows for sure. In the end, all are drawn to him. So none are damned eternally (an abused translation).

Could you specify which God exactly? Just so we're all certain about who you're talking about here.
(July 10, 2012 at 6:40 pm)Godschild Wrote:
(July 10, 2012 at 6:07 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I don't mean they are pre-destined to be damned. I mean in the sense, they are in a damned state.

Until one sees that they are in a lost condition because of sin and then becomes a believer are here and now damned.

I've said this once and I'll say it again.
You must of done some seriously dark shit to want to believe that GC.
"That is not dead which can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die." 
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RE: Question for both Christians and Muslims.
July 11, 2012 at 12:51 am (This post was last modified: July 11, 2012 at 12:55 am by Godscreated.)
(July 10, 2012 at 6:47 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:
(July 10, 2012 at 6:40 pm)Godschild Wrote: Until one sees that they are in a lost condition because of sin and then becomes a believer are here and now damned.

But what is the reasons they don't see themselves as in a lost condition because of sin and then become believers?

People are called by God (invited) to see His truth, some listen some do not, took me awhile before I saw my condition. One has to realize that you must give up what you desire to have what God offers. Once I realized God offered a peace that I could otherwise not have, that's when I realized what I desired could not compare.
(July 10, 2012 at 10:32 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote:
(July 10, 2012 at 6:40 pm)Godschild Wrote: Until one sees that they are in a lost condition because of sin and then becomes a believer are here and now damned.

I've said this once and I'll say it again.
You must of done some seriously dark shit to want to believe that GC.

Like I said before my past probably makes you look like an angel. Even though I was a bad boy and my past might make your life look good, it want help you with God.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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Re: RE: Question for both Christians and Muslims.
July 11, 2012 at 1:29 am
(July 10, 2012 at 10:32 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: Could you specify which God exactly? Just so we're all certain about who you're talking about here.

Oh wow it's you again. Once more with the reading skills. Take a look at the thread title, and the OP and the bit that I quoted for a clue Wink
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RE: Question for both Christians and Muslims.
July 11, 2012 at 7:36 am
(July 11, 2012 at 12:51 am)Godschild Wrote: Like I said before my past probably makes you look like an angel. Even though I was a bad boy and my past might make your life look good, it want help you with God.




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