Does the Bible Contradict Itself?

[spockrates]

I'm thinking this is not a place where people of different beliefs are welcome. Do you all enjoy just talking only with those who agree with you? Is it more of a support group than a debate forum?

Sorry I got the wrong impression when I walked in the front door. I'll quietly sneak out the back and avoid further awkward cold shoulders.

Take care. Still love ya' all.

[Annik]

I'm willing to debate, just put a contradiction on the table and we'll talk about it. I gave you a list of hundreds.

[Taqiyya Mockingbird]

I'm thinking this is not a place where people of different beliefs are welcome. Do you all enjoy just talking only with those who agree with you? Is it more of a support group than a debate forum?

Sorry I got the wrong impression when I walked in the front door. I'll quietly sneak out the back and avoid further awkward cold shoulders.

Take care. Still love ya' all.

Different views are welcome, of course!

Intellectual dishonesty is not.

You need to figure out the difference.

[LastPoet]

Same old same old rants of how mean are atheists: We are nor here to agree with you, infact, most of us are tired of the same old bullshit coming from you religionists. Go back to your deluded friends and huddle with them in darkness, you can even proclaim victory over the heathens, see if I care. Wanna have a discussion? Grow a pair and grow some intellectual honesty.

Oh, and don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

[Napoléon]

I'm thinking this is not a place where people of different beliefs are welcome. Do you all enjoy just talking only with those who agree with you? Is it more of a support group than a debate forum?

You are perfectly welcome here, if I myself have given you the wrong impression I apologise. I do find however such threads incredibly tedious, I must apologise for my attitude. That is not your fault nor your problem.

Forget I ever posted here.

[Napoléon]

You know, I've just looked back at this, and re-evaluated my response. I don't take back my apology, I am still apologetic in the way I personally came across to you.

However.

You have "Have never doubted that God exists, but I'm willing to lear why others do." in your religious views spockrates, but it seems to me it is actually you who does not wish to learn* what others think. It's actually you who does not enjoy talking to those who disagree. Hence why you appear to be running away from this forum.

Not everyone here is nice. The internet isn't nice. You've come onto an atheist forum, supposedly to ask us what we think. To try and understand what our positions are. However, you instead have offered a couple of threads which appear to 'challenge' us, to perform what I personally consider menial tasks that are entirely insulting to my, and your own intelligence. We have given you our opinions on these things. We do not ask that you like them, but you first of all, asked us for them. We shouldn't feel like we owe you anything for that.

You're getting the impression that you aren't welcome, but what exactly are you here to achieve? I actually think people have been quite reasonable, bar a few responses you had. But hey, that should be expected when you come onto a forum with entirely different views from your own, when you ask the kind of tired questions and 'challenges' you can go find out on your own using your own initiative.

I understand fully, that you may not have heard many of the arguments people on here use, you may not have heard the views that we express before, you may not understand the positions we hold. I get it, you don't personally think these questions are incredibly simple, and obvious, and unintelligent. But many of us here do, and it should be under your own initiative that if you were sincere in trying to understand us, that you would take heed of this very quickly, and not get offended by it.

But that's why I actually doubt your motivations for being here. You come onto the forum, ask us our opinions, and cry afterwards as though we are being unwelcoming. All the while signing every post with a smiley face, because we all know little ol' you is only here because you want to learn.

Yeah, right.

Actions speak louder than words.

Jog on.

[Nemo]

Sorry to butt in but if you can't accept other peoples opinions and then communicate yours then im sorry you are really in the wrong place

[Minimalist]

Are you sure you aren't just looking to make excuses?

I think so, but please explain your meaning.

Surely you don't think you are the first to show up here with this particular tactic.

No matter how many contradictions are shown they always produce some ludicrous "explanation," and pronounce themselves satisfied with it.

I will give you one example.

2 After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Mag

-- Mathew 2

2 In those days Caesar Augustus issued a decree that a census should be taken of the entire Roman world. 2 (This was the first census that took place while[a] Quirinius was governor of Syria.)

--Luke 2

Herod the Great died in 4 BC. Publius Sulpicius Quirinius was named governor of Syria in 6 AD.

There is a minimum 10 year gap between these two events.

Now, both may be ( my personal view) but one must be, wrong.

[Reforged]

I'm wondering whether there are any biblical passages that contradict one another. Please provide two contradictory passages for discussion and explain why they result in a contradiction. Thanks.

Heres two propositions throughout the Bible in numerous passages that contradict:
1. God is omnipotent, all-powerful and all knowing.
2. We have freewill.

If God has knowledge of events past, future and present then that means there is a single, unchanging path we all travel. Every choice we make is preordained to occur as is the outcome which means it isn't really a choice. We're just following the script of a massive machination.
Ergo, either God is not omnipotent or there is no free-will.
If free-will is implemented then that makes our future unwritten and therefore unpredictable to God, rendering omnipotence meaningless.
If God is omnipotent then that negates freewill, rendering freewill meaningless.
Explain.

Examples:
"And if it is disagreeable in your sight to serve the LORD, choose for yourselves today whom you will serve: whether the gods which your fathers served which were beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are living; but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD." (Joshua 24:15)

"For I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me,
declaring the end from the beginning
and from ancient times things not yet done,
saying, "My counsel shall stand,
and I will accomplish all my purpose,"
calling a bird of prey from the east,
the man of my counsel from a far country.
I have spoken, and I will bring it to pass;
I have purposed, and I will do it."
(Isaiah 46.9-11)

[Rayaan]

I'm wondering whether there are any biblical passages that contradict one another. Please provide two contradictory passages for discussion and explain why they result in a contradiction. Thanks.

There is already a thread on contradictions. You should do a search especially for the controversial topics such as this one that you made.

Book of Contradictions: A Challenge