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Does the Bible Contradict Itself?
RE: Does the Bible Contradict Itself?
(July 16, 2012 at 8:54 pm)spockrates Wrote: Honestly, I'm sincerely curios and seeking the truth about the topic.
Then why don't you address any of the contradictions that have already been posted?
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RE: Does the Bible Contradict Itself?
The short answer is...yes, but that's for a reason.
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RE: Does the Bible Contradict Itself?
(July 16, 2012 at 8:29 pm)Napoleon Wrote:
(July 16, 2012 at 8:27 pm)spockrates Wrote: The world in general has not found me out, but only says of me that I'm the strangest of men whose questions drive other men to their wit's end!

Certainly something is driving me to my wit's end.
Yes, but your wit's end is only a means to an end--that end being that I gain the truth. If there are internal contradictions within the pages of the Bible, I hope find them. In the process, I'll find which seeming contradiction are actually something else. For example, some are due to mistranslation rather than contradiction, and others are due to ambiguous text, rather than contrary text. The end result is that I'll be the wiser, and those who assist me in my investigation will be wiser, too.
"If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains (no matter how improbable) must be the truth."

--Spock
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RE: Does the Bible Contradict Itself?
(July 17, 2012 at 6:59 am)spockrates Wrote: If there are internal contradictions within the pages of the Bible, I hope find them. In the process, I'll find which seeming contradiction are actually something else. For example, some are due to mistranslation rather than contradiction, and others are due to ambiguous text, rather than contrary text.

Some are due to mistranslation? Some are due to ambiguous text?

Can you not see the problem there already? Or do you need that explained too?

And there's been a helluva a lot of contradictions shown already, I haven't seen you justify any of them yet.
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RE: Does the Bible Contradict Itself?
"If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains (no matter how improbable) must be the truth."

--Spock
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RE: Does the Bible Contradict Itself?
(July 17, 2012 at 7:08 am)spockrates Wrote: Same question, my new napoleonic friend: Do you think a picture is worth a thousand words, and are everyone of these words try?

I presume you mean true.

And forgive me, but I don't understand the point of the question, or what it refers to. Where is this picture?
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RE: Does the Bible Contradict Itself?
(July 17, 2012 at 7:28 am)spockrates Wrote:
(July 16, 2012 at 9:51 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: Jews that would hear Mark's Gospel would be able to pick up on the allegory. I'm assuming this because they had the oral tradition thus meaning that they would know when Mark explicitly references the OT word for word (e.g. Mark 1: what John was wearing, Mark 11: words of Jesus on the cross).

Mark is littered with these almost explicit parallels to the OT. I find it hard to believe that he wouldn't have done it on purpose. The question is why did the other two synoptics try and get rid of the allegories like I have shown you?

Do you believe a picture is worth a thousand words, my friend? If you do, are you certain all of the words are true?

(July 16, 2012 at 10:04 pm)apophenia Wrote: This is a language game, pure and simple. Everybody tacitly knows the rules, and regardless of personal satisfaction, continues to fulfill them. The rules are never made explicit, and indeed, likely many would be outright denied. Atheists seem to be tireless players. I enjoy a tussle, too, but more often either scribble in the margins, try to better understand the rules, bend or break the rules to see what happens, or analyze the participants. Some people play the game exceedingly well, and watching them can be an enjoyable sport, a sort of verbal athleticism. Min is awesome to watch. You, too, are quite skillful. But I'm usually more interested in studying the game than actually playing it.

(And I did my due diligence in reading all the way through the "Is Christianity Illogical" thread, all the while knowing what I wanted to say. It fizzled out before I got there, but I had one word to say, and that is, "troll." For 12 years I've been a moderator on one of the most popular — and most frequently trolled — channels on EFNet, so this is not exactly unfamiliar ground for me. And you may not believe yourself to be a troll. But that's another topic, for another language game, and another set of players.)



Perhaps it is a game for some, but not for me. Please don't confuse my playfulness as a lack of serious purpose to obtain the truth. The difference between many of the gamers and myself is that I'm not into partisreims, nor stoic tricks. I don't know it all, but I long to know the Truth. Socrates describes people like me:

Wise I would not call them. For that title is too great and belongs to God alone. Lovers of Wisdom (or philosophers) is a more fitting description.

(Phaedrus 278)
"If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains (no matter how improbable) must be the truth."

--Spock
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RE: Does the Bible Contradict Itself?
spockrates Wrote:Do you believe a picture is worth a thousand words, my friend? If you do, are you certain all of the words are true?
I sure do. What's the catch here? Wink

EDIT: the words used to describe will be subjective therefore I don't think any of them will be 'true' per se but simply one's opinion.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle
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RE: Does the Bible Contradict Itself?
Googled Salah yet? Found out who his father was yet? Going to just carry on ignoring the question?
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RE: Does the Bible Contradict Itself?
(July 17, 2012 at 7:26 am)Napoleon Wrote:
(July 17, 2012 at 7:08 am)spockrates Wrote: Same question, my new napoleonic friend: Do you think a picture is worth a thousand words, and are everyone of these words try?

I presume you mean true.

And forgive me, but I don't understand the point of the question, or what it refers to. Where is this picture?

Yes, true. I'll explain my meaning, but please first tell me what you think of the idiom? Is a painting, or even a photograph worth a thousand words? Also, do you think my thousand words might contradict yours?

(July 17, 2012 at 7:41 am)FallentoReason Wrote:
spockrates Wrote:Do you believe a picture is worth a thousand words, my friend? If you do, are you certain all of the words are true?
I sure do. What's the catch here? Wink

EDIT: the words used to describe will be subjective therefore I don't think any of them will be 'true' per se but simply one's opinion.

So let's say we disagree about a painting we see. Who would be most qualified to settle the disagreement and tell us whose interpretation of the work of art is more accurate?
"If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains (no matter how improbable) must be the truth."

--Spock
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