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RE: Hell is not real...
July 30, 2012 at 4:28 pm
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(July 30, 2012 at 4:04 pm)catfish Wrote: (July 30, 2012 at 3:49 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: Everyone be quiet, let these two debate the topic and prepare for hilarity.
I have a wonderful feeling that this is going to be the debate equivalent of Freddie vs Jason, the autistic version.
That'll be good for you then, at least you may be able to follow along with this one...
Oh I often do. Its just when I follow your train of thought it tends to be travelling slower than a crippled pensioner and ultimately arrives at no discernible destination.
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RE: Hell is not real...
July 30, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Long dead. Like the hell idea.
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RE: Hell is not real...
July 30, 2012 at 4:45 pm
(July 30, 2012 at 4:28 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: Oh I often do. Its just when I follow your train of thought it tends to be travelling slower than a crippled pensioner and ultimately arrives at no discernible destination.
Don't be a dumbass. Stop trying to follow, turn yourself around, face forward and attempt to lead.
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RE: Hell is not real...
July 30, 2012 at 4:48 pm
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So, he should lead your train of thought?
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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RE: Hell is not real...
July 30, 2012 at 4:53 pm
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(July 30, 2012 at 7:08 am)catfish Wrote: Anyone who believes that "hell" is in the Bible has fallen for one of the greatest lies of all times.
(July 30, 2012 at 4:19 pm)catfish Wrote: (July 30, 2012 at 4:12 pm)Cinjin Wrote: https://atheistforums.org/thread-6787-po...#pid134463
Sorry, but you're gonna have to bring something new to the table here. I don't care what people rant about, especially when they're incorrect stereotypes.
If you think "hell" is Biblical, present your case here, not a link to some long-dead thread where noone thinks for themselves...
First of all, none of us non-believers give a shit. We don't tend to debate whether or not a book full of fairy tales and outright lies does or does not promote the existence of a 3rd dimensional land of torture that only an ancient narcissistic desert god holds the keys to.
Secondly, you're the one who started the OP. You're the one who clearly has a beef. Ergo, you're the one that needs to present his case. NOT the other way around.
Thirdly, the Bible clearly does indeed mention Hell. It may be called by the lake of fire or Sheol, or the Pit, or Hades or any number of things other than hell, but the basic premise of eternal torment/damnation is definitely in there.
Matthew 10:28
Matthew 5:22
Matthew 13:50
Mark 9:48
Luke 16:19-26
Revelation 14:10-11
Revelation 20:14-15
Hell is mentioned dozens and dozens of times in the bible and you sir are considered a heretic and a false prophet by all those other "TRUE CHRISTIANS" who read and understand god's word. The point is, have this debate with a christian not a bunch of non-believers who couldn't give two shits about it.
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RE: Hell is not real...
July 30, 2012 at 5:00 pm
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(July 30, 2012 at 4:45 pm)catfish Wrote: (July 30, 2012 at 4:28 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: Oh I often do. Its just when I follow your train of thought it tends to be travelling slower than a crippled pensioner and ultimately arrives at no discernible destination.
Don't be a dumbass. Stop trying to follow, turn yourself around, face forward and attempt to lead.
Oh, ok. I will hijack your train of thought then by saying I've read the Bible cover to cover and I can personally vouch hell was mentioned frequently as possible to inspire obedience through fear... as can these quotes:
5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast [it] from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not [that] thy whole body should be cast into hell.
5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast [it] from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not [that] thy whole body should be cast into hell.
11:23 And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.
16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
18:9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast [it] from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.
Theres quite a few more, these are what I could find on the web on such short notice.
So thats that. I suppose the real question here is why would you try to convince us theres no claims of hell? Well of course to make your religion sound more palatable than it actually is. Perhaps you also believe yourself to have "sinned" and wish to escape the preachings of your own belief system? Perhaps you cannot stand the thought of a creator who would happily torture his own creations forever for what he made them and simultaneously claim eternal love for them.
Honestly, it could be any number of reasons and I'm not a mind-reader.
Since you invited me to lead this "train" would you care to discuss them?
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RE: Hell is not real...
July 30, 2012 at 5:19 pm
(July 30, 2012 at 4:53 pm)Cinjin Wrote: First of all, none of us non-believers give a shit. We don't tend to debate whether or not a book full of fairy tales and outright lies does or does not promote the existence of a 3rd dimensional land of torture that only an ancient narcissistic desert god holds the keys to.
Secondly, you're the one who started the OP. You're the one who clearly has a beef. Ergo, you're the one that needs to present his case. NOT the other way around.
Thirdly, the Bible clearly does indeed mention Hell. It may be called by the lake of fire or Sheol, or the Pit, or Hades or any number of things other than hell, but the basic premise of eternal torment/damnation is definitely in there.
Matthew 10:28
Matthew 5:22
Matthew 13:50
Mark 9:48
Luke 16:19-26
Revelation 14:10-11
Revelation 20:14-15
Hell is mentioned dozens and dozens of times in the bible and you sir are considered a heretic and a false prophet by all those other "TRUE CHRISTIANS" who read and understand god's word. The point is, have this debate with a christian not a bunch of non-believers who couldn't give two shits about it.
LOL!
Obviously you do give two shits about it.
1st, "Hell" was translated dozens and dozens of times from various other words from other languages. Hell was NEVER in any original scriptures.
2nd, "eternal" was also translated from another language. So even if hell were real, it surely never stated eternal torment.
C'mon ppl, learn to think for yourselves and stop believing everything ppl tell you.
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RE: Hell is not real...
July 30, 2012 at 5:21 pm
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(July 30, 2012 at 5:19 pm)catfish Wrote: C'mon ppl, learn to think for yourselves and stop believing everything ppl tell you.
This advice coming from a guy who believes in what ancient books tell him. ![[Image: Cherna-facepalm.gif]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=i1118.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fk619%2Fjcincain%2FEmoticons%2520Insults%2520and%2520Kudos%2FCherna-facepalm.gif)
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RE: Hell is not real...
July 30, 2012 at 5:22 pm
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(July 30, 2012 at 5:19 pm)catfish Wrote: C'mon ppl, learn to think for yourselves and stop believing everything ppl tell you.
Ok, I'll start by not believing what you tell me.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Hell is not real...
July 30, 2012 at 5:24 pm
(July 30, 2012 at 5:21 pm)Cinjin Wrote: This advice from a guy who believes in what ancient books tell him.
When have I claimed to believe in what ancient books tell me? You're a bit delusional to assert facts about me which are based solely on faith.
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