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RE: Faith, Hope and Love - the pillars of destruction?
August 10, 2012 at 3:23 pm
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(August 9, 2012 at 11:22 am)MountOlympus Wrote: In literal terms and at least one definition,
Faith
Hope
Love
are all crazy to have. It all depends on context.
It would seem that most are crazy, then. For most trust, hope in, and love someone, or something.
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RE: Faith, Hope and Love - the pillars of destruction?
August 10, 2012 at 9:18 pm
Quote: For most trust, hope in, and love someone, or something.
Indeed, and a Buddhist would say those things cause suffering.
Quote:We are never so desperately unhappy as when we lose love. (Sigmund Freud)
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RE: Faith, Hope and Love - the pillars of destruction?
August 11, 2012 at 9:14 am
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(August 10, 2012 at 9:18 pm)padraic Wrote: Quote: For most trust, hope in, and love someone, or something.
Indeed, and a Buddhist would say those things cause suffering.
Quote:We are never so desperately unhappy as when we lose love. (Sigmund Freud)
Yes, and a Vulcan would agree with the Buddhist about hope and love, insofar as they are emotions--but perhaps in some sense they are not? She would then point out that the Buddhist is being illogical about faith, for Buddhists trust in the teachings of Buddha.
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RE: Faith, Hope and Love - the pillars of destruction?
August 13, 2012 at 5:47 am
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Quote:She would then point out that the Buddhist is being illogical about faith, for Buddhists trust in the teachings of Buddha.
That attachment causes suffering is not a faith-based concept, rather an observable truism . Buddhism is not a dogma based religion,but an atheistic philosophy.
One of the most idiotic phrases to enter popular culture is "logic dictates". Logic does not guarantee truth,so cannot dictate anything. Nor do I care what some emotionally stunted fictional character belonging to an emotionally stunted fictional race says about anything. 
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RE: Faith, Hope and Love - the pillars of destruction?
August 14, 2012 at 10:44 am
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(August 13, 2012 at 5:47 am)padraic Wrote: Quote:She would then point out that the Buddhist is being illogical about faith, for Buddhists trust in the teachings of Buddha.
That attachment causes suffering is not a faith-based concept, rather an observable truism . Buddhism is not a dogma based religion,but an atheistic philosophy.
One of the most idiotic phrases to enter popular culture is "logic dictates". Logic does not guarantee truth,so cannot dictate anything. Nor do I care what some emotionally stunted fictional character belonging to an emotionally stunted fictional race says about anything.
True, with the exception of deductive reasoning, which does dictate. That being said, most reasoning presented in forums such as these is inductive and has to do with probabilities rather than certainties, as you pointed out. So, I agree.
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RE: Faith, Hope and Love - the pillars of destruction?
August 14, 2012 at 7:41 pm
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RE: Faith, Hope and Love - the pillars of destruction?
August 14, 2012 at 10:17 pm
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RE: Faith, Hope and Love - the pillars of destruction?
August 14, 2012 at 10:46 pm
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Quote:"If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains (no matter how improbable) must be the truth. (Spockrates)
Quote:Stolen from Sherlock Holmes,bullshit when he said it,and it remains bullshit. (Tarquin St John Shagnasty)
When the impossible is removed, there may yet be several/many plausable/possible/ likely explanations. PLUS an assertion of impossibility is a truth claim.
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RE: Faith, Hope and Love - the pillars of destruction?
August 14, 2012 at 10:58 pm
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(August 14, 2012 at 10:46 pm)padraic Wrote: Quote:"If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains (no matter how improbable) must be the truth. (Spockrates)
Quote:Stolen from Sherlock Holmes,bullshit when he said it,and it remains bullshit. (Tarquin St John Shagnasty)
When the impossible is removed, there may yet be several/many plausable/possible/ likely explanations. PLUS an assertion of impossibility is a truth claim.
Agreed. I guess the best course of action is to seriously consider as many possibilities as we can, no matter how improbable they first seem to be.
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RE: Faith, Hope and Love - the pillars of destruction?
August 15, 2012 at 12:31 am
(August 14, 2012 at 10:58 pm)spockrates Wrote: (August 14, 2012 at 10:46 pm)padraic Wrote: When the impossible is removed, there may yet be several/many plausable/possible/ likely explanations. PLUS an assertion of impossibility is a truth claim.
Agreed. I guess the best course of action is to seriously consider as many possibilities as we can, no matter how improbable they first seem to be.
You can't live long enough to seriously contemplate any significant portion of the vast pool of vastly improbable possibilities. Wasting your time on them seems to cause you to lose perspective of just how trivial these possibilities really are next to much weightier probabilities. Life is about constrained optimization, to make the best of the limited time and opportunities you have. Optimization is not achieved by losing perspective and wasting opportunities of the probable for the infinitesimally possible.
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