Is rape natural?

[Lion IRC]

...Alot of what separates the human race from animals...

...The "human-animal" thing is just a subnote. We all know what divides humans from the rest of the animal kingdom;...

...You obviously have a misunderstanding of the thought process with which any and all animals decide to commit rape...

Interesting thread so far.

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So far 50% think Yes
And 33% dont care.

[LastPoet]

Can you clarify? The question is about rape being natural. Not about rape being acceptable. But as any theist you can only see in black and white huh?

[Gambit]

Well, it is fairly well accepted that we've held onto a lot of our "instincts" from our caveperson (I'm so PC lulz) days. Although we have moved way beyond certain things being socially or morally acceptable, that is not to say they didn't have their beginnings in nature. As for rape, it's hard to say. Where does the research point? I voted yes, as no doubt it was a natural occurrence at one time in our history, however, are there any connections being made in respect of that in studies today?

[Faith No More]

One thing to keep in mind with this whole "natural" argument is that humans are the only animals that recognize the theory of mind, which is to recognize that others are aware, sentient beings such as yourself. Even our closest relatives, chimpanzees, cannot understand this. This is the foundation of why we have come to determine rape as morally bad.

[Napoléon]

You may be right. But that's how I roll. Start the discussion and build my information and opinion on it from what other people say.

You'd be surprised how much I learn from that. You learn more from being wrong than being right, after all. I'd rather lose a debate than win one any day cuz I can learn from it.

Are you actually responding to my questions here or is this just deflecting the fact you can't answer them.

I think what I am going for here is a sort of objective naturalism, that it's not hardwired into humanity as a whole because it is such an aberration and such a hated thing, that it's not natural to humanity in general, only to the individuals, and that it "comes naturally," yeah, but that as a biological, genetic imperative for survival, it most definitely is not. THAT was the argument being made by the other individual: That rape is natural in the sense of it being adaptive to humanity as a means for survival. And given how and why rape is committed among humans, I find that notion to be ridiculous.

So you're using a straw man argument and telling us you don't agree with it.

Big woop.


I still haven't seen you define natural. I've asked you 3 times now.

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Wait.
Did you vote yes before joining the discussion about the definition of ''natural"?

Obviously, and I stated straight after that my understanding of what is natural allowed me to do so.

Keep up retard.

[Violet]

Sae you know that given the cultural charge given into sex as an intimate thing, its a great way to hurt people and exert control over them by sexually subduing the victim. I never said it was the only way to exert control over someone.

It is a fantastic way to hurt someone, I don't disagree. As for exerting control? I don't believe that is the intent behind it. Accessibility is much more likely a reason. It's close, it's easy, and they can have it when they desire it. There's a reason that most rapists are family members/friends of the 'victim', and it isn't often that the reason is 'to control them'.

I'm not one to pin a deficiency of self-control on a desire to exert control

My point: Most rapes are 75% control and power over someone, being the 25% left to sexuality. Hence why ou have loads of sexually accomplished people raping.

So far as I can tell, rape typically occurs when sexual desire peaks... hence why you have loads of 'sexually accomplished' people raping

[freedomfighter]

I do not agree that rape is natural because when it comes to having sex, I believe that both parties have to agree to it.

It is like religion I am sure most people would not like to be forced upon someone else, both parties have to agree to it right? As an Atheist do you think it is ok for other's to force their beliefs onto someone else? I am sure not.

Therefore when it comes to sex I don't think it is right to force someone else to have sex if they choose not to. We do have a freedom of choice, but we also have to respect the freedom of other people or I could be wrong?

[Annik]

Rape is natural in the same sense that tornadoes are natural.

In human psychology, rape is correlated with a need for control.

[freedomfighter]

Rape is natural in the same sense that tornadoes are natural.

In human psychology, rape is correlated with a need for control.

I need a bit more insight to believe why it is natural. I want to understand that natural theory more.

I always thought we make the decisions to do something or to not do something. Just like we can choose to not believe in God.

If some people likes to rape does that make people who chooses not to rape unnatural?

Please don't make fun of me, I am really trying to understand.

[jackman]

I do not agree that rape is natural because when it comes to having sex, I believe that both parties have to agree to it.

in rape cases, the main factor in calling it that, is that one party doesn't have a choice (or it's not being respected). there is no freedom of choice in that instance.