So, Shithead...Why Did YOU Pick Him?

[DeistPaladin]

No. That's not what I said. I said the left is quick to berate all those so-called horrible 'eccentricies' of the Tea Party like flag waving, patriotism, and love of country but are silent about the crimes committed by far left anarchists like the OWS terrorists. I'm not at all implying that everyone on the left supported the ones who committed those crimes. I'm simply pointing out that the left is blinded by their own hatred, hypocrisy, and double standards.

Wow!

Just... wow!

He actually broke out the "t" word, boys and girls.

Hey Clive, you watching this? This is what I mean by "wacky right", whether he's wearing tea bags or no. Clear now?

And for those of you living outside America, this is a prime example of how our political discourse has completely broken down because a huge section of the right wing has gone completely, foaming-at-the-mouth, living-on-an-alternate-world, batshit insane.

How can we have a rational conversation with someone like this? And he's not at all outside the norm for the wacky right. He IS their new normal.

I mean, let's run down the list here.

Despite my patient review of his story links in my previous post, he can't comprehend how the OWS movement is not responsible for criminals who slip into their ranks and commit crimes against members of the OWS movement, especially when their leadership has responded in the responsible way and now taken action to keep protesters more safe.

He continues to insist that crimes committed by individuals are somehow equivalent to right wing hate crimes that are directed not randomly, not against other conservative protesters but against individuals they're directly inspired to hate. When Dr. Tiller was murdered by an anti-abortion terrorist (and this is the definition of a terrorist, one who targets civilians to generate fear and thereby effect political change or submission), the terrorist wasn't just acting randomly. He was inspired to the crime by right wing hate and distortion.

Here's a more recent example.

There is a clear link between right wing hate speech and right wing hate crime.

Now A Theist wants to somehow play the "both sides do it" card by pointing to tragic cases where OWS protesters have been assaulted by criminals who may not even be fellow protesters and certainly weren't inspired to commit their crimes by occupy rhetoric (unless A Theist would care to enlighten us on how "reinstate regulations on the banks" could inspire someone to commit rape).

And he keeps harping on this false sense of persecution that the left condemns him for "waving the flag". I'm sorry, what notable liberal has EVER said, "You know what the problem is with the right wing? They love their country too much and wave the flag around too much." Show me where any notable liberal has ever said that. Show me any Democrat leader who's ever said that. Show me or admit that this is another fucking straw man.

I'm sorry, A Theist, but you've been pumped full of fear and hate by right wing propaganda and thoroughly brainwashed by it. You're so indoctrinated that you can't see past any of the latest right wing manufactured outrage to realize how badly you and the rest of us are getting screwed by the real elitists that run this country. And when you are forced to acknowledge the abuse and bullying that come from your ranks, your last resort of your mind is to play the "oh yeah, well so does the other side" and the best you can do to justify this is to point to some tragic cases where unrelated crimes have been committed upon OWS protesters.

A huge percentage of the right wing in America has gone batshit insane. Until the hatemongers and fearmongers are brought in line by their own (fat chance of that now), I don't see how we can have a rational discussion on anything.

[A Theist]

No. That's not what I said. I said the left is quick to berate all those so-called horrible 'eccentricies' of the Tea Party like flag waving, patriotism, and love of country but are silent about the crimes committed by far left anarchists like the OWS terrorists. I'm not at all implying that everyone on the left supported the ones who committed those crimes. I'm simply pointing out that the left is blinded by their own hatred, hypocrisy, and double standards.

You should understand, we hate a lot of teaparty eccentricities, it's just that those eccentricities are the racism, bigotry, xenophobia and religious zeal on easy display at any teaparty rally. We don't hate the rah rah America stuff, though we take offense to the idea that the teaparty's heavy use of American iconography implies that the aforementioned evils are representative of all Americans. Those guys should invent their own flags and symbols instead of stealing the ones that belong to everyone.

Then you should also hate those very eccentricities of racism and anti semitism that the OWS is known for...OWS also received endorsements from the Neo Nazis and the Communist Party.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/19...20252.html

http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/17/red-wh...-protests/

So what if the teapartiers are proudly displaying American iconography at their events. At least the they're not burning them like the Occupiers do.

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No. That's not what I said. I said the left is quick to berate all those so-called horrible 'eccentricies' of the Tea Party like flag waving, patriotism, and love of country but are silent about the crimes committed by far left anarchists like the OWS terrorists. I'm not at all implying that everyone on the left supported the ones who committed those crimes. I'm simply pointing out that the left is blinded by their own hatred, hypocrisy, and double standards.

Wow!

Just... wow!

He actually broke out the "t" word, boys and girls.

Hey Clive, you watching this? This is what I mean by "wacky right", whether he's wearing tea bags or no. Clear now?

And for those of you living outside America, this is a prime example of how our political discourse has completely broken down because a huge section of the right wing has gone completely, foaming-at-the-mouth, living-on-an-alternate-world, batshit insane.

How can we have a rational conversation with someone like this? And he's not at all outside the norm for the wacky right. He IS their new normal.

I mean, let's run down the list here.

Despite my patient review of his story links in my previous post, he can't comprehend how the OWS movement is not responsible for criminals who slip into their ranks and commit crimes against members of the OWS movement, especially when their leadership has responded in the responsible way and now taken action to keep protesters more safe.

He continues to insist that crimes committed by individuals are somehow equivalent to right wing hate crimes that are directed not randomly, not against other conservative protesters but against individuals they're directly inspired to hate. When Dr. Tiller was murdered by an anti-abortion terrorist (and this is the definition of a terrorist, one who targets civilians to generate fear and thereby effect political change or submission), the terrorist wasn't just acting randomly. He was inspired to the crime by right wing hate and distortion.

Here's a more recent example.

There is a clear link between right wing hate speech and right wing hate crime.

Now A Theist wants to somehow play the "both sides do it" card by pointing to tragic cases where OWS protesters have been assaulted by criminals who may not even be fellow protesters and certainly weren't inspired to commit their crimes by occupy rhetoric (unless A Theist would care to enlighten us on how "reinstate regulations on the banks" could inspire someone to commit rape).

And he keeps harping on this false sense of persecution that the left condemns him for "waving the flag". I'm sorry, what notable liberal has EVER said, "You know what the problem is with the right wing? They love their country too much and wave the flag around too much." Show me where any notable liberal has ever said that. Show me any Democrat leader who's ever said that. Show me or admit that this is another fucking straw man.

I'm sorry, A Theist, but you've been pumped full of fear and hate by right wing propaganda and thoroughly brainwashed by it. You're so indoctrinated that you can't see past any of the latest right wing manufactured outrage to realize how badly you and the rest of us are getting screwed by the real elitists that run this country. And when you are forced to acknowledge the abuse and bullying that come from your ranks, your last resort of your mind is to play the "oh yeah, well so does the other side" and the best you can do to justify this is to point to some tragic cases where unrelated crimes have been committed upon OWS protesters.

A huge percentage of the right wing in America has gone batshit insane. Until the hatemongers and fearmongers are brought in line by their own (fat chance of that now), I don't see how we can have a rational discussion on anything.

Wow.

[Angrboda]

So many non sequiturs, so little time.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

@ A theist; I've been reading back through this thread and found this ,which you aimed at Min:

If you're that miserable here why don't pack your sh*t and go to some other country where you'll be happier

Seems like a denial of free speech to me.

In a free society,it is the right,even the obligation, of a citizen criticise what he sees as wrong or unjust. It is such people who are the seeds of social change and even revolution. It is not the mental and moral pygmies who blithely sit back and accept the status quo regardless.

[Ryantology]

Then you should also hate those very eccentricities of racism and anti semitism that the OWS is known for...OWS also received endorsements from the Neo Nazis and the Communist Party.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/19...20252.html

http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/17/red-wh...-protests/

So what if the teapartiers are proudly displaying American iconography at their events. At least the they're not burning them like the Occupiers do.

Well, you got me, those two examples really are the equivalent of the countless examples of the same behavior seen at any teaparty rally, on proud display.

Here's the thing: we do disown that sort of behavior, rare enough that each example is newsworthy. You can't without losing probably half of your party membership.

[CliveStaples]

Hey Clive, you watching this? This is what I mean by "wacky right", whether he's wearing tea bags or no. Clear now?

Well, I imagine that "terrorist" is an inaccurate description of most OWS folks. But it may be accurate for some.

Idk, I think of myself as being a pretty reasonable person (although I have some strong libertarian tendencies), but I don't remember very many people on the Left slamming the OWS movement for the various crimes it committed (rape, theft, public masturbation, public defecation, and apparently conspiracy to commit some sort of crime involving "explosives", but I don't know if charges were actually filed in that case, so it's not necessarily clear that a crime occurred at all).

Of course, it may have happened and I simply missed it. But the impression I got from the coverage among left-leaning blogs and news sources was that the OWS was Super Awesome Go Fighting!

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Well, you got me, those two examples really are the equivalent of the countless examples of the same behavior seen at any teaparty rally, on proud display.

Hmm. Do you have examples--enough to show that this kind of thing is commonplace at "teaparty" rallies? (I'm assuming that we're thinking of the same thing when you say "teaparty", and that things like Neo-nazi demonstrations aren't being labeled as "teaparty").

Here's the thing: we do disown that sort of behavior, rare enough that each example is newsworthy. You can't without losing probably half of your party membership.

Well, the first part is dubious. Do you have evidence to support your claim?

The second part sounds like mere demagoguery. I'd ask for evidence that half of the Republican party is anti-Semitic, but I'm very doubtful that such evidence exists. If you've got it, though, I'd love to see it.

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You should understand, we hate a lot of teaparty eccentricities, it's just that those eccentricities are the racism, bigotry, xenophobia and religious zeal on easy display at any teaparty rally. We don't hate the rah rah America stuff, though we take offense to the idea that the teaparty's heavy use of American iconography implies that the aforementioned evils are representative of all Americans. Those guys should invent their own flags and symbols instead of stealing the ones that belong to everyone.

Do you have proof for any of these accusations about "teaparty" rallies?


DeistPaladin, you watching this? Ryantology's opinions are what I think about when I hear "wacky left". Your ilk isn't coming across as very reasonable, at the moment--not that my ilk is =(

[DeistPaladin]

DeistPaladin, you watching this? Ryantology's opinions are what I think about when I hear "wacky left". Your ilk isn't coming across as very reasonable, at the moment--not that my ilk is =(

You know, this "both sides do it" card is really getting old.

Both sides don't. Any time a liberal example is offered, whenever it is offered at all, it's either not true or an exaggeration or a quote that is taken completely out of context.

Ryan hasn't said anything "wacky" as far as I can tell. Do you have any better examples to offer?

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

You know, this "both sides do it" card is really getting old.

Indeed, because it is only a common logical fallacy; tu quoque,/appeal to hypocrisy. I may not use your faults/crimes to excuse, minimise or dismiss mine.

.WARNING: Godwin's Law about to be invoked.: At the Nuremberg war trials ,Nazi war criminals such as Herman Goring tried [unsuccessfully] to use that defence; EG "The allies bombed Dresden--and what about the way you treat black people in the US?" (referring to the holocaust)

[Angrboda]

Well, you got me, those two examples really are the equivalent of the countless examples of the same behavior seen at any teaparty rally, on proud display.

Hmm. Do you have examples--enough to show that this kind of thing is commonplace at "teaparty" rallies? (I'm assuming that we're thinking of the same thing when you say "teaparty", and that things like Neo-nazi demonstrations aren't being labeled as "teaparty").

This isn't exactly on target, but I think is relevant, and documents an aspect of that which I think Ryantology is referencing in greater depth. (He or she may disagree.)

[Cato]

So what if the teapartiers are proudly displaying American iconography at their events. At least the they're not burning them like the Occupiers do.

Iconography? The modern Tea Party has stolen the iconic image from history. In fact, the dumping of the tea in Boston wasn't known as the Tea Party until after 50 years had passed from the event. I bet you didn't know that two other colonies had sent the tea back under the same protest. What is more disconcerting to me is the fact that modern Tea Partiers don't know dick about history. How exactly does a large portion of the electorate self identify as Tea Partiers when the original complaint was against a government mandated tax that enriched a corporation...the East India Company?

OWS acts more in accordace with the spirit of the original grievance than the 'appeal to authority bigoted bible thumpers' do. Only through Christ could a bunch of priviledged bunch of twats convince a gullible, but significant, portion of the electorate to adhere to the idea that making them richer enables the downtrodden. Fucking saps!