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Better reasons to quit Christianity
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I was taking the ironic route, to be honest, preferring to take the comment in the spirit in which I prefer to believe it was intended. Though if you like, you'll notice I didn't say where he had the point; it could have been under his hat for all anyone knows.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
RE: Better reasons to quit Christianity
September 2, 2012 at 2:58 am
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Quote:it could have been under his hat for all anyone knows. Ah, as in pointy little head,agreed RE: Better reasons to quit Christianity
September 2, 2012 at 3:36 am
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God is not compelled to know everything at all times.
It's an ABILITY which He has at His own will whenever He wants. ...a bit like the ability to fast forward to the end of the movie. But why would God want to do that after He gave us free will on purpose? Might not God be more interested in what we actually choose? (Excited to see what happens perhaps?) Remember, who else but God can afford NOT to worry about the free will choices we might make. RE: Better reasons to quit Christianity
September 2, 2012 at 3:44 am
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(September 2, 2012 at 3:36 am)Lion IRC Wrote: God is not compelled to know everything at all times. You're just letting your imagination run wild aren't you? While we are all playing make believe I'll be a pirate! Arrrrrrrrrr.
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"The lord doesn't work in mysterious ways, but in ways that are indistinguishable from his nonexistence." -- George Yorgo Veenhuyzen quoted by John W. Loftus in The End of Christianity (p. 103). RE: Better reasons to quit Christianity
September 2, 2012 at 4:36 am
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Quote:While we are all playing make believe I'll be a pirate! Arrrrrrrrrr. May I please be a cowboy? I like cowboys;they get to shoot Indians and punch horses.. Have wild guess who gets to the indian. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8cDfnQD0ws (September 1, 2012 at 11:05 pm)spockrates Wrote: But regarding the voting illustration, please explain how it is analogous to omniscience and freewill. I'm not sure I see the connection, yet. I do not think there is a connection, the answer to the free will problem was answered in Genesis, the answer came when Adam and Eve chose the fruit over obedience to God. The only true free will man has is to chose to love God or reject Him, this is the example that was laid out for us in Genesis when Adam and Eve rejected God and chose knowledge to be God's equal. When they acquired the knowledge, they understood they could never be God's equal and for the first time feared God because they understood His true greatness and righteousness. This is why they were hiding from God and God called out to them in compassion, He knew (omniscience) what had happened, He knew even before they made their choice. Anything outside our choice to love or reject God we have only limited freedom, God is in control of His creation. With the free will to chose or reject God, we have many choices to make during our lives and the closer we grow to God the less those choices become, necessarily. So God can be and is omniscient and we have the free will He intended for us to have. If we had total free will God would not be in control of His creation, the example of that is Adam and Eve, they in one moment screwed it all up, what would happen if God continued to allow man to do as he please, flood the world?
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
(September 1, 2012 at 11:05 pm)spockrates Wrote: But regarding the voting illustration, please explain how it is analogous to omniscience and freewill. I'm not sure I see the connection, yet. Young Spock! WHY do you NEED to be part of the herd / hive mind? Also, WHY do you question? If not for the FACT that the current answers do not fit with YOUR observations? I would hazard young Spock... that you have come to the conclusion that religion is not only man-made and detrimental to the progress of society (as a global whole) but is also filled with such childish fantasies that you yourself left behind along with your teddy, Santa and security blanket many ages ago (ok, then maybe a few years ago) And there fore an illogical position to maintain in the face of evidence to the contrary. "The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
RE: Better reasons to quit Christianity
September 2, 2012 at 8:03 am
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(September 1, 2012 at 11:25 pm)idunno Wrote: Sure my pointy eared Christian friend but I need a break from the computer so I'm logging off after this post. If you're still hazy I encourage you to take a look at the thread I started which may clear up other questions you have before asking another here. I'm glad to answer them. Yes, I understand, idunno. Thanks for taking the time to explain. (September 2, 2012 at 4:36 am)padraic Wrote:Quote:While we are all playing make believe I'll be a pirate! Arrrrrrrrrr. Watch yourself. I hear the Amish owner of that beast has a gun and knows how to use it!
"If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains (no matter how improbable) must be the truth."
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