Obama Supporters Should Vote Jill Stein (rant)

[Faith No More]

I feel like smashing my face against a wall now

I will do it for you.

[A Theist]

I feel like smashing my face against a wall now...

....knock yourself out

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You said it yourself in a previous post that we had "amazing economic growth" under Bill Clinton because Clinton and the Republicans were willing to work together and to make some compromises....

I love how Republicans now fondly remember Clinton as a golden age of compromise, bipartisanship and general inter-party respect.

It just goes to show you there's something wrong with the conservative brain that they can't remember anything more that a few years ago.

MEMORY LANE TIME: You impeached the guy! And this after Congressional hearing after hearing inquiring over one manufactured scandal after another. Finally, they got him on getting a blow job and impeached him for it. There are only two sitting presidents in history who have ever been impeached and he was one of them.

Obama is just one more combatant in Washington.

I wish that were true.

Obama's failed promises.

A-Theist, would you trade the economy we have now for the economy we had in Dec 2008?

Pick one answer: Yes / No

Your deflection is noted. Why not ask something more substantial. Would you prefer the economy we have now or the one Obama promised in 2009?

[DeistPaladin]

Your deflection is noted. Why not ask something more substantial. Would you prefer the economy we have now or the one Obama promised in 2009?

Your refusal to answer my question is noted.

I can only assume that since you refuse to answer it, it's because you're embarrassed to because you and I both know your answer is "no".

Since your answer is "no, I wouldn't make the trade" you admit that Obama has done better with the economy than the Republican policies.

Since you admit he's done better, he's not a failure.

Thank you.

[A Theist]

Your deflection is noted. Why not ask something more substantial. Would you prefer the economy we have now or the one Obama promised in 2009?

Your refusal to answer my question is noted.

I can only assume that since you refuse to answer it, it's because you're embarrassed to because you and I both know your answer is "no".

Since your answer is "no, I wouldn't make the trade" you admit that Obama has done better with the economy than the Republican policies.

Since you admit he's done better, he's not a failure.

Thank you.

...and your deflection is also noted.

I assume that since you didn't answer my question it's because you and I both know that Obama has failed to keep his promises.

Thank you for admitting that Obama has failed.

[frankiej]

...and your deflection is also noted.

I assume that since you didn't answer my question it's because you and I both know that Obama has failed to keep his promises.

Thank you for admitting that Obama has failed.

Of course it would have been better if he had been able to keep his "promises", but he couldn't. Some of it was his fault and some of it wasn't. The Republicans share a hefty amount of the blame for this aswell.

Now answer DP's question please. There shouldn't be any shame in answering a question with such an obvious answer.

[DeistPaladin]

...and your deflection is also noted.

I assume that since you didn't answer my question it's because you and I both know that Obama has failed to keep his promises.

Thank you for admitting that Obama has failed.

I've said from day 1 that Obama is not my man and he's a big disappointment. Your point?

The choice in this election is not "Obama vs. my fantasy president."

The choice in this election is "Obama vs. Romney".

Romney is planning on more of W. Bush's economics.

Ergo, my question is relevant, yours is not.

So would you trade the economy we have now for the one we had after 8 years of Romney style economics?

Please answer yes or no.

[A Theist]

...and your deflection is also noted.

I assume that since you didn't answer my question it's because you and I both know that Obama has failed to keep his promises.

Thank you for admitting that Obama has failed.

I've said from day 1 that Obama is not my man and he's a big disappointment. Your point?

The choice in this election is not "Obama vs. my fantasy president."

The choice in this election is "Obama vs. Romney".

Romney is planning on more of W. Bush's economics.

Ergo, my question is relevant, yours is not.

So would you trade the economy we have now for the one we had after 8 years of Romney style economics?

Please answer yes or no.

No, your question isn't relevant. My question's the one that's relevant. Not yours. Bush is not the president. Barack Obama is.

Which economy would you prefer? The one we have right now or the one Obama promised we'd have by now, (by the end of his 'first' term)?

[DeistPaladin]

No. My question's the one that's relevant. Not yours. Bush is not the president. Barack Obama is.

Which economy would you prefer? The one we have right now or the one Obama promised we'd have by now, (by the end of his 'first' term)?

I'd prefer the ideal economy to the one we have now. Obama has been a disappointment. I fully concede that and always have. But Obama isn't running against my fantasy president. He's running against Romney. Romney's economic plan is Bush Part II.

Ergo, my question is relevant. Do you really want four more years of W Bush via Romney? Would you trade the economy we have now for the one we had at the end of Republican deregulation and trickle down?

Yes or no?

ANSWER THE QUESTION!!!!!

[TaraJo]

You said it yourself in a previous post that we had "amazing economic growth" under Bill Clinton because Clinton and the Republicans were willing to work together and to make some compromises....

Yeah, it would be nice if we could get that now. Instead, Boehner gets 98% of what he wants in budget battles by holding the economy hostage.

You also pointed out that Clinton was able to accomplish more of what he wanted than Obama has. Obama is just one more combatant in Washington.

Again, I reference that 98% quote from Boehner. If his opponents got 98% of what they want and you call him a combatant, what would have happened if he wasn't a combatant?

Democrats are deflecting and distracting from Obama's failed promises.

A politician who didn't tell the truth! Gosh, I never thought that could ever happen! hock:

Duh. He overstated his power. I honestly don't remember the last time I saw a presidential candidate who didn't do that.

Obama is the current president.
Candidate Obama promised to make changes to cut the national debt in half, cut spending, create 'shovel ready' green jobs.

Once again, I get to tell you the Republicans are getting pretty much everything they want. Obama's biggest flaw is that he's letting them do it. He's trying to be bipartisian with them and they're still telling him he's too extreme. Yet, they're also criticizing him because the policies they encourage and put forth aren't working. You can't claim you got 98% of the budget you wanted and then turn around and blame it on the other guy.

Obama has done the opposite of what he promised and increased federal spending. Our national debt is now reaching $16 trillion dollars. He now says there no shovel ready jobs and the unemployment rate remains above 8% and the liberals distract and deflect.

Yes, he has increased federal spending and the national debt. Want to guess how much we raised the debt with Bush? Remember, we went from a budget surplus to a deficit in his 8 years. Nobody said jack, except maybe Cheney who said "Deficits don't matter."

You see, while you're looking at how things are at one point in time and judging good/bad with them, I'm looking at how things have changed during a certain specific length of time. Remember what things were like when Obama came to office? The economy was in a tailspin with huge job losses. He hasn't fixed everything yet, but the tailspin is over. I think the biggest knock against him is that while things are getting better, the recovery is much more gradual than the initial recession was. The change Obama brought was that we weren't getting worse and worse anymore. Remember what the country was like when we took a hard right? We elected Bush and later a congress full of Republicans when the country had peace and prosperity and unprecedented economic growth and 8 year later, that all crashed. Yes, Bush changed things and he used a moderate version of the policies being espoused by today's Republican party to do it.

Which economy would you prefer? The one we have now or the one that Obama promised?

Of course I'd rather have the economy Obama promised. I'd also have preferred the economy that was promised in campaigns by Bush, both Jr. and Sr., Regean and Carter. I think anyone would, unless you're such an ideologue that you'd rather the country crash and burn than for your opponent to take credit for something good. The first rule to politics is that elected officials always promise the world when they're in campaign mode.

[A Theist]

No. My question's the one that's relevant. Not yours. Bush is not the president. Barack Obama is.

Which economy would you prefer? The one we have right now or the one Obama promised we'd have by now, (by the end of his 'first' term)?

I'd prefer the ideal economy to the one we have now. Obama has been a disappointment. I fully concede that and always have. But Obama isn't running against my fantasy president. He's running against Romney. Romney's economic plan is Bush Part II.

Ergo, my question is relevant. Do you really want four more years of W Bush via Romney? Would you trade the economy we have now for the one we had at the end of Republican deregulation and trickle down?

Yes or no?

ANSWER THE QUESTION!!!!!

Everybody prefers an ideal economy to the one we have now. I think a good starting point would be the one Obama promised we'd have by now.

...and no. Your question is not relevant. Would you prefer the economy we have now or the one Obama promised we'd have by now?

YOU ANSWER MINE!!!!!