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RE: If there is nothing after death how do we find out?
August 25, 2012 at 2:38 pm
(August 25, 2012 at 1:31 pm)Faith No More Wrote: We need no evidence to prove there is no afterlife. Affirming that an afterlife exists holds the burden of proof, so all that is needed is to debunk any evidence put forth. Considering the only evidence is personal testimony of experiences while the brain is deprived of oxygen, there's not even that much to debunk.
Yeah, actually, afterlife gets put in the same category as the flying spaghetti monster; you can't prove it, but you can't disprove it, either. So while I'll keep an open mind about things, until I'm provided tangible evidence, I'm not going to be believing in something.
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RE: If there is nothing after death how do we find out?
August 25, 2012 at 3:05 pm
Intellectually, I'm pretty sure there isn't, but I'm not ashamed to admit I kind of hope there is. I don't think it's wrong to fear death.
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RE: If there is nothing after death how do we find out?
August 25, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Quote: I don't think it's wrong to fear death.
No, but what is wrong is when conniving religious assholes use that fear to make the gullible do what they say. That is very wrong.
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RE: If there is nothing after death how do we find out?
August 25, 2012 at 3:14 pm
When our bodies die,afterlife isnt possible,posthumously mental life REQUIRES to restart the biological and physical life. If we would like to live again we would need our bodies.
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RE: If there is nothing after death how do we find out?
August 25, 2012 at 3:16 pm
(August 25, 2012 at 10:17 am)Gunner500 Wrote: How much evidence do we need to say that there is nothing after death? Do we have enough evidence now? The absence of a pre-life.
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RE: If there is nothing after death how do we find out?
August 25, 2012 at 7:31 pm
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(August 25, 2012 at 3:14 pm)Homo Sapiens Wrote: When our bodies die,afterlife isnt possible,posthumously mental life REQUIRES to restart the biological and physical life. If we would like to live again we would need our bodies.
This is not necessarily true. While I would agree that it's improbable that there is a naturally occurring process which would "takeover" the hosting of our mind after the death of the physical, it's not impossible in principle. Nor is it necessary that said process involve a biological vessel. In fact, one of the proposed methods for exploring and colonizing space would involve digitizing the information necessary to describe our brain/mind, and transmitting that at the speed of light across the galaxy to a distant planet, where it would be recreated in another vessel, likely a robot or similar, or perhaps a surrogate species.
Ultimately it would at minimum require understanding the mind and the universe to either rule in or rule out the hypothesis to a reasonable degree of certainty. At present we aren't there. We're left with a situation similar to what some people term pseudoscience. Not only has no good evidence been provided, no plausible underlying mechanism exists. (See Type I error and extraordinary claims. It's not impossible that the paranormal exists, it's just much, much harder to demonstrate without a plausible mechanism. In its absence, poor evidence is virtually useless.)
(I just attended my first meeting of a local group for psychics, mediums, healers and similar people. We performed a remote viewing experiment. The experiment was interesting in and of itself, but there were a number of ways in which the thinking involved in discussing and reasoning about such things had an entirely "other" character that I didn't expect. I should write it up. But I probably won't.)
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Re: If there is nothing after death how do we find out?
August 25, 2012 at 7:37 pm
If there was an "afterlife" where the fuck would it be anyway? Space for every single thing that has ever lived in the entire universe from the tiniest Amoeba to the biggest Star Whale?
Or is it a magical place only reserved for the few billion humans who have ever lived because humans are magical and special and that?
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RE: If there is nothing after death how do we find out?
August 25, 2012 at 7:52 pm
Quote:How much evidence do we need to say that there is nothing after death?
I need none.What I need is credible evidence to show there IS life after death.
Quote: Do we have enough evidence now?
As far as I'm aware,there is no credible evidence one way or the other.
A couple of things make it very hard for me to believe in an afterlife;
(1)So far,nobody has ever actually come back
(2) There is no consensus about exactly what survives death. Most commonly,people seem to think pure awareness or the personality. These are both qualities of the mind,which is dependent on the living brain.( based on the evidence of which I'm aware)
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RE: If there is nothing after death how do we find out?
August 26, 2012 at 1:58 am
I don't want an afterdeath... so it's more like wishful thinking on my part.
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RE: If there is nothing after death how do we find out?
August 26, 2012 at 7:35 am
(August 25, 2012 at 12:00 pm)NoraBrimstone Wrote: So you can look forward to being bits and bobs of all kinds of things, but you'll never know it.
Well, considering that the atoms and molecules in your body change constantly, you can enjoy being recycled today!
When I was young, there was a god with infinite power protecting me. Is there anyone else who felt that way? And was sure about it? but the first time I fell in love, I was thrown down - or maybe I broke free - and I bade farewell to God and became human. Now I don't have God's protection, and I walk on the ground without wings, but I don't regret this hardship. I want to live as a person. -Arina Tanemura
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