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RE: Atheism +
October 10, 2012 at 12:00 pm
(October 10, 2012 at 11:56 am)Faith No More Wrote: How would the atheism+ people react if I said it was okay to treat every Muslim as a potential terrorist?
It would probably depend on the gender of the Muslim in question.
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October 10, 2012 at 12:02 pm
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(October 10, 2012 at 11:56 am)Faith No More Wrote: How would the atheism+ people react if I said it was okay to treat every Muslim as a potential terrorist?
Every person as a potential muslim.... everyone as a potential terrorist. (isn't that what the US homeland security already does? 
Everyone as a potential catholic.... everyone as a potential pedophile.
Everyone as a potential drunk....
Everyone as a potential unemployed... drunk, pedophile, thief, terrorist...
How about this:
Every man as a potential dad.
Every man as a potential friend.
Every man as a potential helping hand.
What are the odds for the bad stuff on top,..... and for the good stuff on the bottom? Which outweighs the other?
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October 10, 2012 at 12:44 pm
It's easier to exploit the negative though - we've seen this throughout history. To claim another man or woman as your friend/father/mother/sister/brother is to force people to empathize with others, and we are a selfish creature.
Negativity sells. It sells possibly more than sex. Negativity about sex sells best of all.
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October 10, 2012 at 1:32 pm
(October 10, 2012 at 12:44 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote: It's easier to exploit the negative though - we've seen this throughout history. To claim another man or woman as your friend/father/mother/sister/brother is to force people to empathize with others, and we are a selfish creature.
Negativity sells. It sells possibly more than sex. Negativity about sex sells best of all.
Unfortunately, I can agree with that.
Even if their rhetoric was so exclusively negative, it would be acceptable (to me) if it was negative towards both sexes. Nope; criticize men's sexuality and it's good social commentary. Criticize women's sexuality and it's misogyny.
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October 10, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Reminds me of every time I have had lessons on feminism in sociology. I just learned to shut up seems every-time I would join the discussion and disagree with something I would be pointed out as an example of being a misogynist or not understanding it.
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October 10, 2012 at 1:43 pm
I love special pleading arguments.
Typically those who have to shout the loudest seem to be over-compensating for something...at least to me.
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October 10, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Yep, I'm evil, because I like to plunge my appendage into women's vajayjays, in an awkward dance of sweat, naked bodies and untamed passion. I'm that evil. People do know that if ET's would look at our sex, they would probably find the whole deal funny, not mentioning the hangups coming from said sex 
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October 10, 2012 at 2:43 pm
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(October 10, 2012 at 1:40 pm)Insanity x Wrote: Reminds me of every time I have had lessons on feminism in sociology. I just learned to shut up seems every-time I would join the discussion and disagree with something I would be pointed out as an example of being a misogynist or not understanding it.
This again reminds me of the Women In Film class I took in the college (women's studies department). Once the instructor (yes, a woman) said in all earnestness that we should try giving (political) power to a woman as they couldn't do any worse. I couldn't help myself. I said that if power were the kind of thing that was given to nice people we could choose much better male candidates as well. Unfortunately, power is the kind of thing that for the most part is fought over by the worst sort of human beings and taken by any means possible. The prof actually agreed with me but I think she liked me .. though I never felt afraid she might rape me.
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RE: Atheism +
October 10, 2012 at 3:32 pm
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(October 9, 2012 at 7:27 pm)Faith No More Wrote: This reminds me of the ex-cheerleader turned high school teacher that slept with one of her students. As a reward for pleading guilty she had all felony charges dropped against her which meant she would spend no time in prison. All I could think of when I saw this on the news was the outcry there would be if a man who fucked one of his underage students was allowed to go free. It seems fucking ridiculous to me that anyone can plead guilty to a crime and as a "reward" for admitting to it, have all the charges dropped.
(October 9, 2012 at 8:34 pm)Rhythm Wrote: "Guilty rapists" are "set free" Tibs? Yes, probably. Remember from discussions before on these forums, there are two meanings to the word "guilty". Guilty as in actually committed the crime, and guilty as in "found guilty". A person can be:
1) Guilty of committing the crime and found guilty by a court of law.
2) Guilty of committing the crime but found not guilty by a court of law.
3) Innocent of committing the crime but found guilty by a court of law.
4) Innocent of committing the crime and found not guilty by a court of law.
We are obviously hoping that (1) and (4) happen, but you are kidding yourself if you think that (2) and (3) never happen ever.
Quote:"I can't remember" doesn't, to my mind, look to be a very effective defense. I agree that it would be difficult to imagine a way to proceed with such a case as either the prosecution or the defense, if I'd put all of my chips in with a persons personal testimony as to whether or not they remember the night in question.
"I can't remember" isn't a very effective defense, but it can be the only defense if the prosecution are unable to come up with any actual evidence. If the only evidence is one person's accusation, the case should be immediately thrown out of court. It's a tough decision I know, but the only logical position one can take without resorting to personal bias.
Unfortunately, there are probably some judges that would immediately suspect a man of being a rapist, even if there is no physical evidence against him. The point of a court is to determine whether the person did it beyond all reasonable doubt. In the case of one person's word against another's, there is reasonable doubt: the accuser could easily be mistaken or lying.
Quote:(I think you'd make a great judge btw Tibs...but probably a shitty lawyer.....glowing praise in some circles..lol)
I'd only make a good lawyer if I demanded that all jurors take a basic course in logic before I started my deposition. Actually, I think that should be a requirement to being a juror or a judge...you must pass some sort of critical thinking exam.
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RE: Atheism +
October 10, 2012 at 10:49 pm
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All the evidence required for a conviction of rape is present in my example in some jurisdictions Tib. Intercourse occurred, and by all accounts (even if only their own) the person bringing about charges was too intoxicated to give legal consent.
(All that is required to prosecute rape is intercourse without consent, even if the only evidence we have of this is the person bringing about the charges saying "I didn't consent" (or that person being unable to consent)...and that is often -all- we have. It really isn't all that simple to effectively handle this particular crime.)
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