My views on gay mariage

[Paraselene]

I stop doing something if someone becomes uncomfortable.

Your heterosexuality makes me uncomfortable, so kindly stop being straight.

[MikeTheInfidel]

Besides, it makes me uncomfortable, and I would like them to act in accordance with it. I stop doing something if someone becomes uncomfortable. If you don't, I guess its your lack of said shame that fuels your behavior.

I get uncomfortable when you breathe. You should stop.

Or maybe you should grow the fuck up and learn that you don't always get your way, you petulant brat. Part of being an adult is dealing with your discomfort over the things other people do. You do not get to dictate the rights of others based on mere discomfort.

[kılıç_mehmet]

I think this whole thing is a bloody joke.

You would, because you have been raised within a societally backwards culture.

Oh really. In my society, there are no teen mothers, as opposed to your society. There are no homeless roaming the streets, because we've got strong family bonds, and we do not leave our sick people to die because they have no money. There is no bullying in our schools, and AIDS is a lot lower in our country, than in your country. In addition to these, we are a people of a definite past, meaning that we DO have a culture as opposed to say...you.

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Besides, it makes me uncomfortable, and I would like them to act in accordance with it. I stop doing something if someone becomes uncomfortable. If you don't, I guess its your lack of said shame that fuels your behavior.

I get uncomfortable when you breathe. You should stop.

Or maybe you should grow the fuck up and learn that you don't always get your way, you petulant brat. Part of being an adult is dealing with your discomfort over the things other people do. You do not get to dictate the rights of others based on mere discomfort.

Oh yes, lets give someone the right to put a piece of paper before my door, and in front of my eyes, take a dump on it. The person who's doing this is not really messing anything up, he's crapping on a piece of paper, but he does so on my doorstep and before my eyes.
How about that friend?

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Keep talking mate. You're so ignorant it's actually quite astounding.

I'd say you sound rather arrogant.

Well better that that being an ignorant tosser, am right boss?

Lets all play the 'judge people based on factors they have no control over [skin colour, race, sexuality]' like the archaic bigots we are

Well why really then identify with something that you have no control over? Heterosexuals don't go around making pride parades.
Homosexuals do, so that means that they wish us to judge them on that accord. And they publicize themselves on their sexual identity, so that means I have no other choice but to judge them on the said identity they have picked for themselves.

Are you educationally sub-normal?

What do you mean heterosexuals don't go around with pride parades? When was the last time
You heard someone being ostracised for being heterosexual? Oh wait, 'this thread' right? So what if they publicise their sexuality in public? You getting a hard on when a guy comes past you in assless chaps, or when two girls are eating each other's pussy? What, are we supposed to
Ban them from being homosexual because it makes you feel uncomfortable? Well bobbidy boo.

I mean come on, at least try and get a coherent argument out here son.

I'm not covering my eyes or shutting my ears to silliness, I've heard it all before from bigots who are carbon copies of you.

And you think that you're the only liberal/leftist I've spent my time on?

Ignored. Not a liberal, not a leftist, a pragmatist. I don't espouse either/any wing, I espouse what works.

It's great because you do more to further the cause of basic human equality than any argument ever could. So keep up the good work! We're all rooting for you.

I think that there is the cause of basic human inequality, so I personally do not dwell on the equality that doesn't exist. I generally try to be above others as being equal with someone doesn't earn me or my nation anything.

Well yeah, I suppose from your viewpoint that's right. But equality and liberty is something that people with common sense fight for against those who prefer the status quo that is perpetually in their favour.

Nothing about homosexuality would destroy that status quo. What it would do is expose folk such as yourself to the reality of a fluid societal context that leaves them and their 'people that are different are bad' mentality in the past where they belong.

I'm not a liberal, I'm a fiscal conservative, a pragmatist and an egalitarian. So shall we chalk up your incorrect analysis of my political/social views to yet more ignorance on your part?

Meaning, you're liberal. Leftist and internationalist in every way.
It doesn't really matter what your economic viewpoints are, your ideals are the same as the others.

Derp.

The (neo) realist international political paradigm that exists today cultivates the primacy of economic legislation at its heart. "It's the economy stupid".

Nothing about either egalitarianism nor pragmatism is inherently left or right. Multicultural political norms are something that have been espoused in the west for several years and are also something that egalitarians find themselves opposed to. It also happens to be base on a centre left perspective of nation and society building.

So go figure. You know nothing about homosexuality, neither do you know anything about basic political premises.

Keep reaching for that rainbow!

[pineapplebunnybounce]

So much stupidity in a 3 sentences. Cheating to have children? HAH. heteros have been doing it longer than homos have. Who gives a shit if you're siblings by blood or not? For the rest of us who actually care about the children, as long as they're raised well and raised happy, why does it matter if they share DNA? If you want to go on this track you have to say that you think adopted children are of less value in society than biological children.

Indeed, it's cheating. Obviously people of two sexes can never ever reproduce with eachother can they now? And who gives a shit? I wonder how you'd feel if you were the product of an artificial insemination ritual, in which one of your "fathers" gave is your actual biological father, yet of course, it is still a matter of debate if such people can be called parents at all, in my book, no.

the parents are whoever raised the child. Even if you have bad parents, you can't deny that they're your parents simply because of the impact they have on your life is unique to them and them alone. How would I feel if I found out my dad isn't my biological dad? it wouldn't change much, except I might go look for my half siblings or biological dad, not to replace my actual siblings and dad, but just to get to know them. In your book? Man, your book wasn't written for this reality.

I do care deeply about children, and therefore, I want them to be raised in a natural environment, and be created via natural processes, as they were created for centuries, and raised amongst those who are capable of the said processes.

You know what else is unnatural? buildings. Plumbing, too. Electricity. Medicine. Clothes with synthetic fabric, soaps. Plastic. Cars ... etc. They do make our lives better though.

Shame on you for expecting people to suffer because oh it makes you uncomfortable.

Wow, you've gone far beyond these guys in being sentiment.
Besides, it makes me uncomfortable, and I would like them to act in accordance with it. I stop doing something if someone becomes uncomfortable. If you don't, I guess its your lack of said shame that fuels your behavior.

or maybe, i'm mature enough to understand that just because i don't like someone else's fashion, they're not obligated to dress like me to accommodate my tastes. Maybe, i'm reasonable enough to expect everyone to live in ways that would make themselves happy as long as they don't hurt anyone.

[MikeTheInfidel]

You would, because you have been raised within a societally backwards culture.

Oh really. In my society, there are no teen mothers, as opposed to your society. There are no homeless roaming the streets, because we've got strong family bonds, and we do not leave our sick people to die because they have no money. There is no bullying in our schools, and AIDS is a lot lower in our country, than in your country. In addition to these, we are a people of a definite past, meaning that we DO have a culture as opposed to say...you.

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I get uncomfortable when you breathe. You should stop.

Or maybe you should grow the fuck up and learn that you don't always get your way, you petulant brat. Part of being an adult is dealing with your discomfort over the things other people do. You do not get to dictate the rights of others based on mere discomfort.

Oh yes, lets give someone the right to put a piece of paper before my door, and in front of my eyes, take a dump on it. The person who's doing this is not really messing anything up, he's crapping on a piece of paper, but he does so on my doorstep and before my eyes.
How about that friend?

1. Ability to shit on your doorstep
2. Ability to pursue a surrogate pregnancy

YEAH THEY'RE EXACTLY THE SAME, YOU COMPLETE MENTAL VACUUM

[Paraselene]

[Brian37]

My suggestion? Laci here gets it. Let the churches call it whatever they want; as far as the government is concerned, they only do civil unions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmVzC40AEaE

Laci is awesome!

[Psykhronic]

In addition to these, we are a people of a definite past, meaning that we DO have a culture as opposed to say...you.

Oh fuck you, we all have cultures.

[Chas]

Marriage of course being a 'tradition' that exists because people wanted it...

People needed it.
It has a certain purpose, it doesn't exist so that some people can use it in order to normalize their otherwise socially unacceptable behaviour.

But I see really that you're that interested in equality and fair treatment under the law and more interested in restricting the rights of 'minorities' by virtue of the fact they're different to the majority.

I already told in this thread, heterosexuals and homosexuals are not equal friend. They never will be. Homosexuals walk the darkness to live our their carnal desires, while heterosexuals had marriage for centuries to give their carnal desires a purpose beyond simple pleasure.
So do not expect me to treat them as equal in any way.
But they are different and they take delight in being different, meaning they have accepted this. As the Russian president Putin put it forth, "We do not need the minorities, they need us". A minority faced with such a calamity has two options. Either conform with the majority, or take up weapons to force the majority to do their demands, as do many ethnic seperatist groups around the world. Let's see you do this. If you are so vain to have your wishes realized, best you fight for it. And to be honest, I don't see no homosexuals fighting for it, instead a bunch of leftist/liberal good doers that do the work for them.

Excellent, you have finally been honest about your hatred.

Now fuck off.