[split]Ron Paul plays Yahtzee with Nazis

[Anomalocaris]

Oh look, another word that you don't understand.

I bet that's a word you understand.

Unlike what might be assumed by flag waving cockroaches you look up to, amongst real humans understanding of anything is never a bad thing.

[Tiberius]

Unless you think Obama is a communist, which I'm guessing you do.

Seriously, stop it with the baseless accusations.

I didn't vote for him so he could fix "the economy" there were few other reasons, the economy didn't become a concern of any right wingers when bush was around?

Actually the economy has always been a concern of the Libertarians. Ron Paul has been arguing for a "Audit the Fed" type bill for decades.

Ron Paul isn't even a good vagina doctor.

Another baseless assertion? He's delivered thousands of babies; that makes him a pretty good doctor.

I was actually hoping you were a "real" libertarian like Mikhail Bakunin (who I've been reading about recently) , Ayn Rand (considered the mother of Objectivism), Milton Freidman (founder of trickle down economics), or Emma Goldman (considered founder of American anarchism).............. None of which have been involved in the white supremacist movement. The white nationalist movement began calling themselves "libertarians" in the 1980's.

I am a "real" libertarian. It is the white supremacist's who call themselves "libertarians" who are in the wrong. You cannot logically be a libertarian and a white supremacist. Ron Paul put it very well:

"Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans strictly as members of groups rather than individuals."

If you want to be a real libertarian that's great!!! but it has absolutely nothing, at all, in the fucking world, to do with this fucking federal reserve BULLSHIT................

Yes, it really does. One of the core libertarian principles is the free market; i.e. a market that is not controlled by the state. The Federal reserve, by giving out handouts to businesses and governments both foreign and domestic, goes completely against that principle. Opposition to the federal reserve (or at least, support for an audit and control of it) goes hand in hand with libertarian beliefs.

I have......I even posted a whole book written about it...... you are asking for an unreasonable amount of evidence. Why don't you list what you're impossibly high standards of, what you consider, evidence are. And I'll try my best for ya

I don't have impossibly high standards. I want direct, documented evidence of Ron Paul (currently) being a white supremacist. Not a book that outlines someone's opinion in the same way you've done. Concrete, hard, evidence. Without that, you are simply using the same kind of evidence as the conspiracy theorists you so happily accuse me of being.

If you want something more specific; here you go: You claimed that there were videos of Ron Paul addressing a white supremacist rally. Show me that video.

The Federal Reserve is fine, it has no more problems than the board of education or the EPA or any of the other group, it's like saying mcdonalds has some problems let's outlaw their restaraunt.

No, this bill is about auditing the fed, not ending it.

The money is not taxpayer money, first of all, second of all it's an accounting tool, just electrons, they didn't ship a boat of dollar bills, or gold bricks to all those counries did they? Their's no need to audit the federal reserve becuase it will only serve to hurt, the whole purpose, of the federal reserve.

You either have a very skewed view of what money actually is, or you think it's fine for the Fed to simply create more money so they can loan it out. The idea of money is that it should be redeemable, and it has to be a finite supply. If you try to create more money, you end up with inflation (just look at what happened to Zimbabwe). That money is taxpayer money...of course it is. Taxpayers pay money to the government.

SO if you don't beleive the money is just electrons then where is the $689 trillion that OTC Derivative people own? Is it in a secret underground vault somewhere? We should go get it!

No, its stored in banks, people's pockets, etc. That amount of money is the total global economy. Money is not just electrons...please educate yourself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtF_zbI5j7M

I was actually expecting the audit to be something like $500 trillion but it's only $16 trillion of reserve currency (which i'm sure you never bothered to google the difference between real currency) over a three year period to several banks including international ones..... If anything this proves Ron Paul is full of shit.

That's $16 trillion which has been loaned out. It's not the total amount of money in the US economy. My point still stands; it is a ridiculous amount of money to loan out with 0% interest, when the government of the US is in debt by $11.21 trillion. No banking institution would last if they gave out those sorts of loans, but the Fed can somehow get away with it because they apparently believe themselves to be unaccountable. They aren't; as a public institution, they are accountable to every US citizen.

[Tempus]

Ron Paul isn't even a good vagina doctor

I felt that he handled my vagina fine.

Does being a bitch come naturally? or do you have to practice that?

I ate the bait, but left the hook. You're not reeling in this fishy!

[A Theist]

I've read all of o Karl Marx's work, therefore I am a Marxist Socialist.

I've read all of Friedrich Hayek's work, therefore I am a Libertarian.

I've read Mein Kampf and Goebbel's diary entries on Jews, therefore I am a Fascist.

My friends are, generally, conservative , therefore I am a Conservative.

My relatives are, generally, Liberal Democrats, or Labour supporters, therefore I am a Labour and/or Liberal Democrat.


Strong logic is strong itt.

Ron Paul had his picture taken at a public event with someone who is a white supremacist. Therefore, as a poster argued, Ron Paul is a Nazi even though there's not a shred of evidence to prove that he is. But some of you guys wanted to discuss that conspiracy theory...and that's all it is. I never said that the Obama conspiracy theory had any merit. If some of you want to portray Ron Paul as a Nazi, there's plenty of conspiracy theories floating around about your guy too. Ron Paul is no more a Nazi than Barack Obama is a member of the Communist Party. He may be a leftist border line Socialist, but there's no evidence to link him to the Communist Party...and there's no evidence to link Ron Paul to the Nazi Party.

[5thHorseman]

I've read all of o Karl Marx's work, therefore I am a Marxist Socialist.

I've read all of Friedrich Hayek's work, therefore I am a Libertarian.

I've read Mein Kampf and Goebbel's diary entries on Jews, therefore I am a Fascist.

My friends are, generally, conservative , therefore I am a Conservative.

My relatives are, generally, Liberal Democrats, or Labour supporters, therefore I am a Labour and/or Liberal Democrat.


Strong logic is strong itt.

Ron Paul had his picture taken at a public event with someone who is a white supremacist. Therefore, as a poster argued, Ron Paul is a Nazi even though there's not a shred of evidence to prove that he is. But some of you guys wanted to discuss that conspiracy theory...and that's all it is. I never said that the Obama conspiracy theory had any merit. If some of you want to portray Ron Paul as a Nazi, there's plenty of conspiracy theories floating around about your guy too. Ron Paul is no more a Nazi than Barack Obama is a member of the Communist Party. He may be a leftist border line Socialist, but there's no evidence to link him to the Communist Party...and there's no evidence to link Ron Paul to the Nazi Party.

I know, I was joining in your shenanigans and pointing out how asinine some of cratehorus's points were, in the style of which you started.

Ron Paul is as much of a Nazi as I am a Tea-Partier. The man may have some pre-20th century ideas, but he's consistent and, oddly for a politician, speaks his mind.

Alan Grayson, the very liberal liberal agrees that the Fed needs auditing. People should probably listen to him on the subject, he was one of the few elected congressmen who was actually a professional economist before a becoming a politician.

[cratehorus]

Ron Paul's Neo-Confederate "South Was Right" Civil War Speech With Confederate Flag

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEC68vTQwP8

Ron Paul's Pro-Secession Neo-Confederate Views

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBvObK_2eOI

[Tiberius]

*facepalm*

Oh dear. Someone doesn't understand the difference between white-supremacists and neo-confederates. The two are not equal. Some neo-confederates (even most, maybe) are white-supremacists, but that does not make it the rule.

Did you even listen to the video? Ron Paul never said slavery was a good thing; he even praised an abolitionist who happened to be against the war. No, what he said was:

1. The South were right in that secession is a constitutional right.
2. Countries abolished slavery without war.
3. The war was unnecessary both in its legality (because of 1.) and in its purpose (because of 2.)

You promised me a video of Ron Paul speaking at a white-supremacist rally. You gave me a video of him talking to neo-confederates about how the civil war could have been avoided and still abolished the slave trade (not really the kind of topic you'd expect a white-supremacist to be talking about), and a video blog about the right to succession. Neither of those are what I asked for, nor are they what you claimed.

[Anomalocaris]

What is clear is Ron's principles has no room for the practical need to redress racism. That does not make him a racist, but more than enough to cast him aside on the basis of the need to address racism.

[cratehorus]

Ron Paul collaborating with white supremacist against ''Black Americans'' Hitler-Style Coup!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ReWvPm2fgs

[5thHorseman]

When you google 'neo-confederate', that video was the 3rd answer. (the Confederate video, not the Rachel Maddow vid)