Legalization of child pornography?

[greneknight]

[KichigaiNeko]

The "law" is liken to religion ( I am inclined that is where it came from .... ) ...likes to think people are as stupid as the religious and so they bring in these "laws" to protect themselves. I am of the opinion that it is more to do with litigation potential than anything else.

[Waratah]

[Fryslân]

No. Just NO. The word child and pornography should never be in a sentence or room together. Never.
Going to spare you all the psycological information a long with all the religious contradictions that come with this subject. I think we all know whats best here.

[TaraJo]

Ok, I'm not exactly trying to argue that child porn should be legal, but I do think the law needs some wiggle room there. We need to understand that judges can fuck up just like any other guy, we need to understand there are always going to be 'yeah, but' situations that people get caught up in and we need to understand that if the sexual predators know the law well enough and we have strict lines drawn, they'll push things as far as they can go while remaining inside those lines (and still hurt children in the process). I know I've seen enough of the art world to understand that the line between art and pornography can be an extremely fine line and I have a good enough understanding of human sexuality to understand that pretty much anything can be turned into a sexual fetish object.

I'll say, I don't like anyone hurting other people, especially children. Children are generally innocent and are at a stage where their personality is still fairly malleable. If we treat them right and raise them well, we can turn them into good people. If they live under constant abuse, neglect and mistreatment, it's probably going to scar them and, often, the child will turn into an abuser themselves.

[Red Celt]

Would those children in these photos want them to be publicly accessible? Wouldn't it hurt the victims in these pictures emotionally to know that people are still jerking off to them?

Sadly, that damage has already been done. With digital media, it isn't a case of burning the negatives. The images are out there - and (for all anyone knows) will remain out there, permanently. All it takes is one paedo with a "library" on their drive.

At no point have I suggested that this would be an "ideal" solution. Far from it. But, if it actually reduced the number of victims...?

As for being "publicly accessible", it might be conceivable that paedos would have to register (with the police, or via a psychologist). That registration would then put them on a black-list when it came to job applications which involve children... only, without the addition of a "sexual crime register". If it came back with a "NO", with no explanation to the potential employer, it would work as a safeguard against such people getting such jobs... but without the addition of a vigilante-style hate-mob looking to remove the person from their neighbourhood (which just results in them being moved to another neighbourhood and doesn't solve anything).

I don't know... either we kill them, castrate them or (if our liberalism doesn't allow that) we do something manageable that will actually work in reducing the number of potential victims. Which is what I suggested.

And, again, I'm no expert on this. If a psychologist (with experience in these matters) were to come along and say that it wouldn't have any benefit... then we're left with execution or castration. When these people are (often) the way they are because they were childhood victims of the same crime... it seems a draconian way of dealing with them.

[Fryslân]

I'll say, I don't like anyone hurting other people, especially children. Children are generally innocent and are at a stage where their personality is still fairly malleable. If we treat them right and raise them well, we can turn them into good people. If they live under constant abuse, neglect and mistreatment, it's probably going to scar them and, often, the child will turn into an abuser themselves.

So you don't think pedophiles are the way they are because they are born that way? Correct me if i'm wrong. I thought pedophelia was like homosexuality in the sence that they can't help being that way. Now I didn't base this on anything. I just thought it was like this.
It doesn't make it alright though. As long as they don't take actions it's "fine". But I don't think you can make someone a pedophile. Like you can't convert someone into homosexuality.
But you can make someone do the same things they've experienced if thats all they know is right ofcourse.

[Red Celt]

So you don't think pedophiles are the way they are because they are born that way? Correct me if i'm wrong. I thought pedophelia was like homosexuality in the sence that they can't help being that way. Now I didn't base this on anything. I just thought it was like this.
It doesn't make it alright though. As long as they don't take actions it's "fine". But I don't think you can make someone a pedophile. Like you can't convert someone into homosexuality.
But you can make someone do the same things they've experienced if thats all they know is right ofcourse.

A recurring theme from testimony from child-abusers (this is from collective memory, not-sourced) is that they, themselves, were victims of abuse when they were children. Reducing the number of victims is not only a grace to the potential victims... but it reduces the number of perpetrators in later years. Which further reduces the number of victims... ad infinitum.

The answer (if there is an answer) is to prevent existing paedophiles from the physical execution of their illness. I gave one possible answer to that.

[TaraJo]

So you don't think pedophiles are the way they are because they are born that way? Correct me if i'm wrong. I thought pedophelia was like homosexuality in the sence that they can't help being that way.

The important difference being that, when two consenting gay adults have sex with each other, it doesn't generally involve either of them manipulating, using, forcing or traumatizing the other.

However, for the sake of discussion, I'll go on.

The sexual attraction isn't the problem; it's how they act on it. If you express this desire by getting off to pictures of children in catalogs or from hentai or erotica that involves children, I'm ok with that. I think it's a much better way to deal with your issues than actually going out and getting one of the kiddies since erotica doesn't involve a victim.

[greneknight]

When I said I was mature and could spot a paedophile, I didn't say it unadvisedly. I have the right to say that because I managed to foil a paedophile once and my friends owed their safety to my quick thinking. My friends and I had gone on a school trip to Hay which is on the border of Wales near Hereford. One afternoon, we rented bicycles and cycled down a lovely country road until we came to a pub (I just deleted the name of the pub because I don't want the owner to get into trouble). We ordered a Butty Bach which is a local brew. THat's the reason why I don't want to put down the name of the pub. Then one of the customers came to our table and talked to us. He looked fishy and he said he could give us a ride in his van to a lovely hill full of sheep in the country. My friends were eager but I just felt something wasn't right. He said our three bikes could go into his van. And then I saw the van. It was a totally white van and my Mum had told me something about white vans that she read about in the papers. Lots of kidnappers use white vans. Just then I saw an fat woman watering her plants in her garden and I told the chap I'd better leave a number with the woman in case anything happened because we were on a school trip. He immediately lowered his voice and told us that the woman was a most unpleasant woman and was his neighbour and she was an old crosspatch who didn't like kids. But I felt something was wrong so I told him I didn't mind her and I sort of ran towards the woman. At that point he ran to his van and drove off in a hurry. My friends were dismayed with me. I spoke to the woman and she was a lovely woman and she said she had never seen that man in the white van before. And he claimed he was her neighbour. She was sure he didn't live anywhere near that village. So I saved both my friends from being kidnapped by a possible serial killer.