Why Fundies Say I'm Not a Christian

[greneknight]

You got a bone to pick with Rayann from the other thread don't you?

That's not correct. I've never quarrelled with Rayaan. I don't even know who he is. But why should my honest remarks against Islam be viewed as a bone to pick with Rayaan? I denounce Islam as a dangerous religion, just as I declare openly that superstitious Christianity should be cleaned up to remove the superstition but I'm not so strong against Christianity because stupidity doesn't hurt anyone but terrorism does.

One could argue the same towards christians. Moderate or 'cultural', "moderate christians are the soil where fundies thrive" might be argued. Along with being an atheist I am also a humanist. I would never legislate to forbid religion, as long as it respects other people's freedom.

The same way you use that broad brush on muslims, the same can be trowned right backatchya.

No, I don't think so. You are saying suicide bombers are Christians and Christians kill cartoonists who draw Jesus? The strange thing I've observed about political correctness is we treat Islam as a non-Caucasian religion and we are careful not to say bad things about it because it's politically not correct to do so. We think slamming Islam is like making racist remarks but it is NOT.

Muslim extremists are probably laughing up their sleeves that the West is so guileless. When you try to show that Christianity is as bad as Islam, you know you have made a mistake. There is no comparison. Christianity has its fairy tales same like all other religions but all religions are just superstitious. Islam is not just superstitious. It's violent and dangerous.

Do you know in my country, there is a singer who was famous in my dad's time. My dad even has very old records of his songs. He became a Muslim preacher and to all intents and purposes, he is a "moderate" Muslim. That's what everyone thought and he was always a good example of how moderate Muslims can be. Until Salman Rushdie wrote "The Satanic Verse" and he actually asked his Muslim class if anyone would kill Rushdie, to please put up his hand. And this guy put his hand up and told his students that if Rushdie was next to him that instant, he would kill him.

That shocked the world. The true face of Islam was shown to the world for just a tiny glimpse. But of course he tried to salvage everything by saying he was quoted out of context, etc.

Ask any moderate Muslim to speak the truth - should a blasphemer be killed after he's been tried by a Shariah court. The answer must be yes. Ask another question - should an apostate (someone who was once a Muslim but who now denounces his faith and condemns Allah and Muhammad) be killed if he's tried by a Shariah court. Again, the answer must be yes.

My Mum says I'm always an embarrassment and that I don't understand political correctness. But political correctness is not honesty. Honesty demands that I speak the truth - Islam is dangerous. But of course there are many Muslims who are lovely people and they won't kill a fly but in some circumstances, eg the Rushdie affair, they can suddenly show their frightening side.

[LastPoet]

You should team up with Pat Condell then.

[Polaris]

Since you say you are "part" of the Church of England, this is what they believe as being a Christian.

Common Worship

I believe in God, the Father almighty,
creator of heaven and earth.

I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord,
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried;
he descended to the dead.
On the third day he rose again;
he ascended into heaven,
he is seated at the right hand of the Father,
and he will come to judge the living and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy catholic Church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting.
Amen.

[greneknight]

Since you say you are "part" of the Church of England, this is what they believe as being a Christian.

Common Worship

I believe in God, the Father almighty,
creator of heaven and earth.

I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord,
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried;
he descended to the dead.
On the third day he rose again;
he ascended into heaven,
he is seated at the right hand of the Father,
and he will come to judge the living and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy catholic Church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting.
Amen.

Oh, I say the Apostles' Creed all the time. All of us do. The former Archbishop of York who is famous for his writings that dispute the existence of Jesus says it too. You see, in my church, we are not literalists. We interpret the Creeds differently. We define "God" differently. But we say the Creeds probably more often than you say the Lord's Prayer.

[cratehorus]

Warning - graphic images

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Neo-Nazi



Cult of Santa Muerte



Golden Dawn



Lord's Resistance Army



Klu Klux Klan

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Would you like more examples of Christian brutality, violence, and genocide?

[greneknight]

Warning: graphic images.

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Neo-Nazi



Cult of Santa Muerte



Golden Dawn



Lord's Resistance Army



Klu Klux Klan

Would you like more examples of Christian brutality, violence, and genocide?

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I don't think those were Christian brutality. The child soldiers example is a bad example because they're always Muslim. The only one that might be remotely Christian is the racist one. You picked examples of White supremacists killing blacks and you blame it on Christianity? I do not know of Christians who accept the Ku Klux Klan as Christian.

But are you disputing that when it comes to terrorism and killing, Muslim extremists take the cake? If you dispute that, then you are SHOCKINGLY WRONG. Come on, answer me. Do you not agree that when it comes to killing and violence in the 21st century, the world has never seen any other religion creating as much havoc as Islam? You may not want to answer the question because like most adults, you have to be politically correct. I understand that.

[YahwehIsTheWay]

You're not a True Christian ™ because you think...

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On second thought, I think I'll put a period there instead of an ellipsis.

[Darth]

Lords resistance army, look em up, they aren't muslim.

And oh, those other chaps? They burnt crosses, not spaghetti monster symbols (praise be to his noodlyness)

[Mister Agenda]

Um, all of those were Christian groups, greneknight. The Lord's Resistance Army is notorious for using child soldiers. And try googling 'Muslims condemn terrorism'. Just because you're not seeing it on BBC doesn't mean it isn't happening.

The correlation you're missing is that terrorism comes mostly from places that suck. Put Christianity in a place that sucks sufficiently, and it's just as likely to produce terrorists as Islam is.

And one could observe Christians have been strangely silent about the atrocities of the LRA, couldn't one?

[greneknight]

Lords resistance army, look em up, they aren't muslim.

You're really scrapping the bottom of the barrel if you take Lords resistance army to be Christian. If you guys think Islam isn't the most dangerous religion in the world today, that's fine. Atheists are supposed to be rational but I think we humans are all the same. We are controlled if not by religion, then by what we perceive to be political correctness. That will be the undoing of the Western world if everyone tries to excuse Islam for all the violent crimes that have been committed. I agree that 500 years ago, I would have targeted Christianity as the most dangerous religion on the planet. Today, it's Islam but it's ok. The adult world will always be governed by political correctness. Let's recite our Creed on bended knees: "Islam is a religion of peace". If you say that 100 times a day, you might actually believe it.

Can some rational person tell me at least that I'm right? I'm not excusing Christianity. I'm not defending its superstition and supernatural nonsense. I'm not defending its ugly past and not its ugly present. I'm only saying Islam is a lot more dangerous and if you can't say it because it's against your idea of good manners, at least admit it.