Why Can't others See?

[fr0d0]

"We all peer at God through our assholes in a flashbulb of ecstacy." - William Burroughs

Hehe!

[Anto Kennedy]

Anto,

Doesn't that kinda detract from the miracle of the virgin birth?

Rhizo

The miracle is not the virgin birth, but the incarnation of God through the virgin womb of Mary. Basic Christian theology, keep up boys.

[Dotard]

WHY CAN'T I SEE?

BECAUSE I REFUSE TO LOOK!

PERIOD

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I got a question for you Frodo, and you too Anto;

You both seem to love spouting that somehow none of us unbelievers ever went down that path of search and discovery.

Many of us have searched. Myself, and I'm sure others, even did simular to what was described by one of you, which was solitary searching. Inner reflection, spiritual search for God or however you wish to describe it. And we discovered nothing. We never 'refused' to look. We looked and found nothing.

It's a possibility I just wasn't "doing it rite" so I ask of you two. How do I do it right? What are the things I need to do? What are the motions I need to carry out before I too experiance "God" as you two claim you have?

I'll tell you what..... one of you, or both, lay it out for me, give me all the 'steps' I need. Tell me what it is I must do, and I shall solemly swear I will carry them out. I will follow your instructions to the best I possibly can. And if I experiance this God, if the things you claim will happen to me happen, I shall forever renounce my atheism and become christian.

Fair enough?

Oh wait.... never mind Anto, you need not answer. I forgot you were the one who claims imaginary things are real. You can post your "musings from an institutionalized basket-weaver" if you wish, but I won't read it.

[Rhizomorph13]

Dotard,

Yeah Anto also told us that he knows HIS method would have been testable under lab conditions but....

Unfortunatly he forgot the alchemical recipe. I was seriously bummed too because I am coo coo enough to try just about anything once.

Rhizo

[Dotard]

Me too.

I tried 2 parts pot to one part 'shrooms.....

Didn't work.

[Rhizomorph13]

Dotard,

You forgot the vegan diet a few days before, fasting the day before, abstain from pot, have an enema, 2-5 grams of syrian rue (A harmala analogue and MAOI), and of course 3-5 grams of cubensis or cyanecens.

"A surefire way to see god"
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=2092

Admittedly I never tried this because it just sounds way too involved, and Salvia Divinorum is faster and completely legal! Not god but she is sexier.

I love erowid!
Rhizo

[fr0d0]

Simple... there is no magic formula. Everyone is different and discovers it in there own way. What you're asking for is a fool proof, ie proven method. ...you don't need me to explain all of this to you again do you.

[Anto Kennedy]

The ancients had a system which appears to have worked for at least a few millenia

1. Enter Burial Chamber
2. ????
3. Profit!



All it takes is isolation and the desire to find the Truth.

I explained my own path somewhat. First I withdrew from society, a few years later all my inhibitions were cast off like old, worn-out clothes, then even my impulses were snuffed out leaving me an empty shell. After that....something happened, and I was filled.

You could live in a cave like Muhammad, go into the desert like Jesus, into the jungle like Gotama, into a burial chamber/pyramid like the Egyptians or Irish, or you could just lock yourself in a room for an extended period of time. The beautiful thing about the 21st Century, is that you don't need to go into the desert to withraw from society, it's quite easy to become invisible in modern capitalist society. I still lived in a city, I just had no social relations whatsoever, and this situation is more and more common among, in particular, Western male youths.

Or, to put it in other words, the society you and I live in, has made direct personal experience of God as easy as it could be. And that's not even going into the conditioning that we are subjected to on a daily basis (the prevalence of myth in popular culture implants a specific "alchemical" code into the subconscious, all that's needed is a trigger to initiate the transformative process)

That trigger can be anything, just wait around long enough and it'll happen.

There's obviously more to it than that, the point is, you don't need anything else, it's already been done for you.

[Beholden]

Nothing personal, but I have a problem with several of your statements.

Firstly, mammalian partenogenesis in the Bronze age is unfathomable. It's only recently been intentionally accomplished after five hundred year's accumulation of scientific knowledge, and only in a mouse and a rabbit. If this is, in fact, the only known record of human partenogenesis (and in mythology, it's not), there still is no verifiable proof of the event outside of a heavily redacted book that has undergone multiple translations, and whose source material is non-existant thus far. It is also noteworthy that from that time to this, as cultures across the world have become increasingly advanced and literate, there hasn't been another reported case...

Secondly, the ancient Egyptians did not seek knowledge of their gods in the pyramids. The pyramids were the burial structures *of* gods made flesh. Heavily armed guards and priests kept watch over many for decades after the death of the inhabitants, and maintained the funerary complexes daily, providing food and wine for the Pharaoh, accepting gifts on his behalf, and acting as an intermediary. These were not Bronze age tourist attractions.

[Anto Kennedy]

Secondly, the ancient Egyptians did not seek knowledge of their gods in the pyramids.

Any evidence?

The pyramids were the burial structures *of* gods made flesh.

Actually an initiate would enter the pyramid, symbolically die and be born again as a god.

They weren't real tombs, that's why so much effort was made in their construction.

One Egyptologist, I can't remember who, once called them Resurrection Machines. A good description.

and maintained the funerary complexes daily, providing food and wine for the Pharaoh, accepting gifts on his behalf, and acting as an intermediary.

Pharoahs weren't the only people that underwent the ritual, and all that food and wine didn't just vanish, it was consumed by the present occupant who had to avoid all contact with the outside world.

It's no coincidence that many modern churches in Europe are built on the sites of pagan burial chambers. They both serve the same purpose.

As Nietzche remarked, Christianity is a cult of the dead.