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Is being a gnostic atheist illogical?
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 (October 6, 2012 at 3:11 am)Whatkins Wrote:(October 5, 2012 at 4:31 pm)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: There is no reason for any god to exist, no evidence to support there being a god, so there is no god. I know this. So how come I know?
You are currently experiencing a lucky and very brief window of awareness, sandwiched in between two periods of timeless and utter nothingness. So why not make the most of it, and stop wasting your life away trying to convince other people that there is something else? The reality is obvious.
 (October 6, 2012 at 6:20 am)Norfolk And Chance Wrote:(October 6, 2012 at 3:11 am)Whatkins Wrote: A god without reason to exist can still exist. No one can know that a god does not exist. I don't think you do. My candle burns at both ends;
It will not last the night; But ah, my foes, and oh, my friends - It gives a lovely light!  RE: Is being a gnostic atheist illogical?
October 6, 2012 at 9:02 am
(This post was last modified: October 6, 2012 at 9:04 am by Tiberius.)
Depends how you define "knowledge". I define it in an absolute sense, since otherwise there is no difference between knowledge and belief. Under this definition, gnostic atheism is as illogical as gnostic theism.
Knowing something and believing you know something are different things. Everyone believes they know something. No fallible being can ever know they know something (that is my belief).  RE: Is being a gnostic atheist illogical?
October 6, 2012 at 1:56 pm
(This post was last modified: October 6, 2012 at 1:58 pm by Doubting_Thomas.)
The title confuses me, per IATIA's dictionary definition. " a gnostic" and "agnostic" give it completely different meaning IMO. Gnosticism is very interesting from a historical perspective, especially to people wanting a better understanding of the bible and catholic doctrine.
Although "agnostic" and "atheist" are mutually exclusive, in practice many self-identifying atheists are technically agnostic. Myself included. As a Dawkinism, I'm agnostic about god as I am agnostic about fairies at the bottom of the garden. blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” – John 20:26-29
When it comes to the existence of god, I just would like to humbly point out that so far, every single god created by man has been proven to not exist in the form they claim. And the claim made by monotheistic religions of today has always been that god was literally amongst the clouds and heaven was in the sky. We've BEEN to the clouds and far beyond and we've seen nothing, and to accommodate this literal failing the monotheists have pushed their markers back; now he's somewhere beyond space. Always is god just out of reach, eh? What, did he pack up and move when he saw the Wright Brother beginning to tinker?
Mt. Olympus. Valhalla. The Roman Pantheon. Amon Ra. A thousand other gods, all proven to not exist in their forms. Humanity has learned a lot about its surroundings...and in so doing has learned that the gods of antiquity were feeble attempts by the human mind to explain that which could not be adequately explained at the time. There is no god. How do I know? Not only is there zero evidence, there is evidence AGAINST the existence of a god via the disproving of so many created gods in the past. Theists reject 999,999 gods. When they realize why, they'll also realize why I reject just one more. 
I really do believe this is an argument without any practical value. I have not yet encountered a literally gnostic atheist, ever. If you want to be extra literal, gnostic theists and gnostic atheists are both non-existent, as while it is possible to think you know, or believe you know, you don't.
I consider myself a practically gnostic atheist, however, because I just do not see how my life is in any way enriched by paying lip service to odds so low astronomical is probably too soft a word to describe them.  RE: Is being a gnostic atheist illogical?
October 6, 2012 at 4:16 pm
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(October 5, 2012 at 4:44 pm)Darkstar Wrote: If you defined gnosticism as personal certainty, then it is not illegal.  Oops, I misread the thread title as 'illegal' instead of 'illogical'. What I should say is that near certainty that god doesn't exist is not illogical but in fact very logical. When you choose to round up from 99.99% to 100%, you are technically changing it from knowledge into a belief (albiet an educated one). So, it is slightly illogical to be a gnostic atheist, but I still think if by gnostic you mean personally certain, then it is okay.
John Adams Wrote:The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion. RE: Is being a gnostic atheist illogical?
October 6, 2012 at 5:04 pm
(This post was last modified: October 6, 2012 at 5:04 pm by Doubting_Thomas.)
(October 6, 2012 at 4:09 pm)Ryantology Wrote: I really do believe this is an argument without any practical value. I have not yet encountered a literally gnostic atheist, ever. If you want to be extra literal, gnostic theists and gnostic atheists are both non-existent, as while it is possible to think you know, or believe you know, you don't. What do you mean "gnostic atheist"? Never heard that term, always understood "gnostic" to refer to the early Christian variant. I thought the title was a typo of agnostic. blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” – John 20:26-29
I took it as the opposite of agnostic, which in this context would imply certainty or sure knowledge.
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