Prayer not working

[Akincana Krishna dasa]

Since there's no god, why don't you just cure her yourself?

Are you implying that everything can be cured?

That seems to be what you are implying.

As we know, god certainly can't cure all ills and neither can humans.

So as usual, you have fuck all point.

And as usual, I always get spoken to in such a civilized way around here!

My point is that you can cure little to nothing. My point is that you can't stop an old woman from getting old, getting sick and dying. You don't want suffering in this life, but still, suffering comes.

My point is that there are higher powers than you in this universe that you're forced to surrender to.

"But wait! The stupid flying spaghetti monster fairy asshole Bible God isn't making me suffer! I don't believe in the stupid old myths, you stupid, creationist asshole idiot no-proof moron! It's just natural laws of the universe (whatever the fuck that even means)!"

You're naturally entitled to whatever frame of reference floats your boat.

My point is simple: atheists experience a higher power, if in no other way, by their suffering.

[Minimalist]

Good for your mother and please tell her I support her and also will pray for her.

How the fuck has this cock got 13 rep points?

The jesus freak assholes are allowed to use the system, too.

[festive1]

And as usual, I always get spoken to in such a civilized way around here!

My point is that you can cure little to nothing. My point is that you can't stop an old woman from getting old, getting sick and dying. You don't want suffering in this life, but still, suffering comes.

My point is that there are higher powers than you in this universe that you're forced to surrender to.

"But wait! The stupid flying spaghetti monster fairy asshole Bible God isn't making me suffer! I don't believe in the stupid old myths, you stupid, creationist asshole idiot no-proof moron! It's just natural laws of the universe (whatever the fuck that even means)!"

You're naturally entitled to whatever frame of reference floats your boat.

My point is simple: atheists experience a higher power, if in no other way, by their suffering.

How is suffering attributable to a higher power? Suffering comes from the basic fact that we are alive. We are all born, we will all die. If we are lucky we'll grow old, only to watch our bodies betray us as they decay and move toward the inevitability of death. If we aren't lucky, we'll die in infancy or childhood or by some violent means. Life is suffering and pain... But there's also the flip side to that, life can be beautiful, moving, and awe-inspiring. There's no higher power involved.

[kılıç_mehmet]

I am to understand you do. Ordinary people here doe the same ...it equals to a "Fuck you i don't care but I am to say these things because of my religion" Either way = they don't care and don't like you, the result is the same.

I don't know why you always expect the worse out of people. I guess life didn't treat you well, friend.

Besides, I believe that good words, even if you will go home and have a nice good night's sleep after saying those words, even without saying a prayer, is the right thing to do.
Besides, why would someone who doesn't like you nor care about you say such things at all?

You can be so simplistic when you wish to be can't you? That is what I was referring to. "Good Will~ Placebo Effect" have the same outcomes. Nothing tangible, nothing you could 'take to the bank'

From what I know, the placebo effect is in effect if you believe that this particular thing that you've received is going to help you recover.
Not every person believes that prayer will cure a man, but might simply take it as a good word. And I don't think that's enough in itself to cause the effect.

[genkaus]

And as usual, I always get spoken to in such a civilized way around here!

My point is that you can cure little to nothing. My point is that you can't stop an old woman from getting old, getting sick and dying. You don't want suffering in this life, but still, suffering comes.

My point is that there are higher powers than you in this universe that you're forced to surrender to.

"But wait! The stupid flying spaghetti monster fairy asshole Bible God isn't making me suffer! I don't believe in the stupid old myths, you stupid, creationist asshole idiot no-proof moron! It's just natural laws of the universe (whatever the fuck that even means)!"

You're naturally entitled to whatever frame of reference floats your boat.

My point is simple: atheists experience a higher power, if in no other way, by their suffering.

That "higher" power is reality - not your god.

[Akincana Krishna dasa]

How is suffering attributable to a higher power? Suffering comes from the basic fact that we are alive. We are all born, we will all die. If we are lucky we'll grow old, only to watch our bodies betray us as they decay and move toward the inevitability of death. If we aren't lucky, we'll die in infancy or childhood or by some violent means. Life is suffering and pain... But there's also the flip side to that, life can be beautiful, moving, and awe-inspiring. There's no higher power involved.

When I say "higher power" I'm not talking about church, hocus pocus, fairy tale, stupid myth, asshole god, invisible, turn or burn, unprovable, unscientific, stupid Bible, whatever ideas. Please put that aside for one moment. I feel like that is a lot of noise that blocks people's perceptions of common, simple human experiences.

I'm pointing out a truth that anyone can practically experience.

You take it for granted that "suffering comes from the basic fact that we are alive." My question is - Where does that fact of life come from? What law of physics or chemistry or mathematics or whatever explains that? And, Why can't I do anything about it?

Especially in a godless universe, why can't I do - literally - whatever the hell I want? If there is nothing higher than me, that would kinda make me god, or something, right? So why am I built with desires and feelings and needs that are barely satisfied in this world?

I agree that we all suffer, many of us will get old and sick, and everyone dies. So I, as a subjective conscious entity, have been thrust into this situation... why? Why does that stuff have to happen to me? I don't want to suffer, but suffering comes. Why? I don't want to grow old, but it's happening. Why?

The answer is oh-so-simple: I'm not in control. My will means very very little. The universe is not out to serve me and my needs.

So who/what/where/when/why/how is in control?

I don't know - but it's definitely higher powers than me.

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That "higher" power is reality - not your god.

Awesome, I love this answer. And I love how much you already know about it!

Please tell me everything you know about "reality."

[genkaus]

You take it for granted that "suffering comes from the basic fact that we are alive." My question is - Where does that fact of life come from?

From a specific configuration of atoms.

What law of physics or chemistry or mathematics or whatever explains that?

There are many, many laws explaining different aspects of it.

And, Why can't I do anything about it?

You can do a lot about it - if you apply yourself and study it.

Especially in a godless universe, why can't I do - literally - whatever the hell I want?

Because you are bound by the rules of your existence.

If there is nothing higher than me, that would kinda make me god, or something, right?

Nope.

So why am I built with desires and feelings and needs that are barely satisfied in this world?

Study psychology and neurology to find that answer.

I agree that we all suffer, many of us will get old and sick, and everyone dies. So I, as a subjective conscious entity,

Wrong - you are an objective conscious entity.

have been thrust into this situation... why?

Because your dad thrusted into your mom.

Why does that stuff have to happen to me?

Different stuff would have different causes.

I don't want to suffer, but suffering comes. Why? I don't want to grow old, but it's happening. Why?

Because laws of nature do not bow to your desires.

The answer is oh-so-simple: I'm not in control. My will means very very little. The universe is not out to serve me and my needs.

Exactly. Nor does it serve the will of anyone else.

So who/what/where/when/why/how is in control?

No one is in conscious control.

I don't know - but it's definitely higher powers than me.

Wrong again.

What you fail to understand is that while there are "powers" or rather rules by which the universe works, these cannot be considered higher or lower that any other powers - because the other powers are a part and parcel of the universe as well. If you insist on calling them "higher" simply because they seem to control your life - try and remember that we have been able to understand and use these "higher" powers towards our own purposes, which would make us the higher powers.

Awesome, I love this answer. And I love how much you already know about it!

Please tell me everything you know about "reality."

What specifically would you like to know?

[festive1]

So who/what/where/when/why/how is in control?

I should clarify: By "nothing" I mean no conscious entity.

[Akincana Krishna dasa]

If these types of circular, question-begging answers satisfy you..... what can I say?

GOOD LUCK.

[Darkstar]

If these types of circular, question-begging answers satisfy you..... what can I say?

GOOD LUCK.

Care to explain how the given answers use circular reasoning or beg the question?