Make a quotable quote here.

[frankiej]

"Do my balls look inflamed to you?"

[Minimalist]

"Do my balls look inflamed to you?"

[Brian37]

"Go blow jesus out your ass."


( I think I have that one copyrighted.)

That might be good for the next Blasphemy Challenge, but too similer to what most people here think about the absurtity of lots of superstitions.

How about:

"You'd have me believe that an all powerful god is petty enough to put getting picked on as his top priority"?

"If we all got to murder people who offended us we would all commit genocide". That is the global version but I feel the need to localize it to so the dipshit theists don't think "If there are no laws he'll kill us all"

So that applies locally too "If we all got to beat up someone who offended us we'd all be in jail"

You can wish someone wouldn't say stuff, and metaphorically want to strangle them without litterally doing it.

[kılıç_mehmet]

Nope, still don't like it because you do need to be ungrateful sometimes in order to buck the social norms to improve that society, otherwise the powers that be can and will always keep you in your place with the word "ungrateful".

I don't think I understand you. If a power has done nothing to earn your gratitude, there is nothing to be grateful, imo. And why would you be ungrateful to someone or to a "power" that has done things to earn that gratitude?

If they accepted their leaders when they said "your being ungrateful" nothing would change.

Did I speak of any "leaders"? I do not idolize leaders. I only hold ideals and goals in high esteem.

I think what you are needlessly doing is pointing out hypocrisy. Part of human behavior is that we cant always be consistant every second of our lives and often hold opposite positions at the same time.

Do we? I know people who hold opposite positions at the same time. However that is due to their ignorance on the positions they claim to hold, not because it's in their nature. And most of the time, such people do not speak out words of much worth about a particular subject relating to those positions.

For example, I can see both the sides of the immigration issue. Too many people we cant keep track of can screw things up, especially the violent ones. But I also know that humans will always seek out resorces so I cant lose my compassion and forget that.

And I guess you're too keen to share your resources with people you do not know, eh? We know that resouces are limited, that's the reason that immigrants actually immigrate to other places.
This is a subject that is rather deep, I'd not spoil the thread with it.

Our youth are unfortunatly woefully educated, and our crime is a much hire rate. But I don't see that as much the kids fault as society not building better conditions.

What kind of conditions do they need? I'll tell you. The youth ought to be idealistic. A youth with no ideal is a youth thrown away into the hands of petty materialism. A person who only thinks of material and personal gain will do whatever that is in their power to obtain it. And after obtaining it, they will be quite unwilling to share it with society, and the only place where they'll share it is by consuming, which is actually the reason why petty materialism exists.

Where I see most of the ungratefulness is in the suburbs and high end. Far too many people who get to that point scapegoat those with less.

I do not see a class-based thing here, I don't know if you do. I personally tend to look at things on an overall scale. Those who earn more and those who earn less contribute to society one way or the other. The more you contribute to society, the better the conditions for everyone will be. However, both the people who earn more, and who earn less now are pretty much equal in their selfishness.

While it is true no one owes you anything on a personal level, it is sick to take from a society and not give back.

It's not simply a matter of money, friend.

[Brian37]

And why would you be ungrateful to someone or to a "power" that has done things to earn that gratitude?

It is still an emotional appeal. Do you do things because because you want peopole to look at you and owe you, or do you do things even if you get no recognition?

A pragmatic way of saying what you are saying without the emotional appeal would be something like, the founders intent withe the Constitution.

"We gave you this, but it can only work if you use it or wish to use it" But "no religious test" and the ability to change says that nothing is set in stone. Their sense of loyalty was not an emotional appeal like "look at what I did for you", but loyalty in the sense that "if we all value each other as individuals collectively your shot at keeping it up will have better odds, but it will only work if you work at it".

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And I guess you're too keen to share your resources with people you do not know

Yes depending and I do that already. When I buy something I pay taxes, that tax gets pooled. It goes to libraries I don't use that others do. It goes to hospitals I haven't used yet but will someday. It goes to pay military service with people who policially and religiously dissagree with me.

But lets say we get nuked or we suffer something even worse than the great depression, you could not tell me seriously that if Canada escaped such a senerio we wouldn't cross their borders illegally. During the dust bowl states and counties were trying to keep US citizens from that affected area out of the places that were doing better.

It is that same stupid psychology of fear that had white people fearing when blacks moved into their neighborhood.

[kılıç_mehmet]

Do you do things because because you want peopole to look at you and owe you, or do you do things even if you get no recognition?

Depends on what I do. And yes, I've done many things for which I've sought no recognition, because it was not mine to seek.

It's somewhat like the seven samurai. I don't know whether you've watched that movie or not, but those samurai knew that nor money, nor fame could be earned from their struggle, personally, at least. But their actions did have a greater purpose behind them. So do my actions.
I serve a greater purpose, a purpose that promises me nothing: it does not promise me neither Ruhm nor Reichtum, but only demands things from me.

Their sense of loyalty was not an emotional appeal like "look at what I did for you", but loyalty in the sense that "if we all value each other as individuals collectively your shot at keeping it up will have better odds, but it will only work if you work at it

It all comes down to with what purpose they wrote a constitution. If they were like the politicians of now...

[Brian37]

I serve a greater purpose

No, ultimately friend and foe go extinct and the planet and sun die and there is no record of the good or the bad that evolution produces.

You cant serve a greater purpose, you can only make life the purpose you chose for yourself. A less loaded and emotional way of saying what you said would be.

"When my ride ends, can I leave this house better than I came into it so the next generation has it at least as good or better"

"Greater purpose" no such thing never was, never will be. But when we say something like "The greatest generation, meaning the soldiers of the allies that defeated Hitler" It still wont long term be a given that this nation will stand, in fact boarders have never remained the same and powers shift. The Chinese have for thousands of years shared the same region, but they no longer have monarchies even if they have the same cultural memes and superstitions.

What made the Allies great, wasnt an infinite ideology that would last forever, to me what they did was evolutionary, it appealed to the positive side of evolution in protecting the desire of individual freedom. Wild animals don't like to be caged and humans don't like to be oppressed.

But Hitler also thought he was doing the "nobal" thing. The dark side of evolution also produces alpha males that seem to do a good job of keeping things in line. Evolution also produces subordinites who look to that alpha male for leadership.

Maximizing benifit and minimizing harm is the only "greater purpose" and both sides thought they were doing that, but the allies appealed to our evolutionary desire to be free. The Nazis were wrong because their greater purpose was to save face and dominate without regard to who they hurt and their people, because evolution produces credulity, sought that leader that would make them proud again.

"greater purpose" is a loaded word because everyone when they use that and get power can easily falsely feel superior.

[Minimalist]

"Go blow jesus out your ass."


( I think I have that one copyrighted.)

That might be good for the next Blasphemy Challenge, but too similer to what most people here think about the absurtity of lots of superstitions.

How about:

"You'd have me believe that an all powerful god is petty enough to put getting picked on as his top priority"?

"If we all got to murder people who offended us we would all commit genocide". That is the global version but I feel the need to localize it to so the dipshit theists don't think "If there are no laws he'll kill us all"

So that applies locally too "If we all got to beat up someone who offended us we'd all be in jail"

You can wish someone wouldn't say stuff, and metaphorically want to strangle them without litterally doing it.

All you asked for was a quotable quote.

Feel free to quote me.

[Brian37]

It all comes down to with what purpose they wrote a constitution.

Because they came to the conclusion that what we have in common is greater than what we don't and when you allow for differnces and compete with the goal that when you win, you still governen even the people that did not put you there.

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That might be good for the next Blasphemy Challenge, but too similer to what most people here think about the absurtity of lots of superstitions.

How about:

"You'd have me believe that an all powerful god is petty enough to put getting picked on as his top priority"?

"If we all got to murder people who offended us we would all commit genocide". That is the global version but I feel the need to localize it to so the dipshit theists don't think "If there are no laws he'll kill us all"

So that applies locally too "If we all got to beat up someone who offended us we'd all be in jail"

You can wish someone wouldn't say stuff, and metaphorically want to strangle them without litterally doing it.

All you asked for was a quotable quote.

Feel free to quote me.

Ok, " All you asked for was a quotable quote, Feel free to quote me".

[Faith No More]

"Quoting myself makes me feel pretentious."