WTF Atheists!?

[Spectrum]

Again who are these "hipsters" you speak of.

Your entire post can be discounted, because you don't even know what a hipster is. There are essays and discussions all over the net about it.

You should take your own advice about embarassing yourself

[Brian37]

Lets be realistic here, you are not going to get rid of religion, but you can contain it with secular concepts like the Constitution, well, at least the founders intent ant not the rivized bullshit theist sell.

I certainly wouldn't want to try to get rid of religion. Whatever else can be said about it - and it can - religion does give people a sense of security, community, even hope sometimes. In that sense, it's like a drug, from which it may be possible or even critical to wean people. The Clergy Project is working proof of that. Hopefully, in the longer term, religion will then evaporate on its own. What we can do in the meantime is to keep religion as an institution from accruing power and influence over the weak, the disenfranchised and the gullible. It could be regarded in terms of a 'war' of sorts against the tobacco companies, preventing them from poisoning new recruits while at the same time caring for those who want to escape the drug's hold. I realise this may be somewhat less than focused, it's late and I'm overtired. My excuse and I'm stuck with it

But you are right, anything ANYTHING can go off the rails if left unchecked, that can be religion, but it also can be political parties of any stripe, or even a business climate(IE) like the one that fucked us all over. Everything needs some sort of checks and oversight based on consent, otherwise fascism surely is to rise.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -- Edmund Burke

Just a future reminder, anytime I respond to these comments it is not for your benefit it is for the benefit of the theist who might read this and missunderstand what you say.

All it takes is an unqualified statement out of context like "The world would be better off without theism" and what they hear is "THERE ALL GONNA KILL US"

When we say that what we mean is "I think the world could do better with more reason and less superstition"

It sounds silly to you and me that people react like that but they do. So I just added that comment to ease any fears they might falsely buy about atheists.

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"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

I actually hate that quote. I have no doubt that people who think abortion is murder and if they don't stand up for the good people who are against it and stand up against the evil baby killer supportes like us.

That is a loaded cliche and can be used by anyone with a personal agenda.

[Polaris]

The problem with the type of atheists (they are few in number yet are quite vociferous) you most likely have a problem with is that they think that they are somehow intelligent for not believing in religion and don't need to adhere to any academic standards whatsoever.

[Brian37]

The problem with the type of atheists (they are few in number yet are quite vociferous) you most likely have a problem with is that they think that they are somehow intelligent for not believing in religion and don't need to adhere to any academic standards whatsoever.

Well it depends. You don't have to know how to build a car engine from scratch to know the engine isn't run on pixy dust. The evedince it runs on gas can be proven when you go to the gas station over and over and over, and would also be proven if you put water in the tank instead, it would stop running wich is pretty predictable.

But for example, I do get a lip twitch when an atheist says something like "survival of the fittist" perpetuating a lie that Darwin advocated that.

But me for example, I cant do a fraction to save my life now. I used to remember much more stuff when I was in high school and college. But memories fade over time if you don't keep them up.

I DO however have never lost my knowledge of what scientific method is. You don't have to be a neurosurgon to know what the basic concept is. It is nothing more than the proven concept of testing and falsifying with control groups and then independent verification of both data and methodology.

So basically when a claim is made it is easy to figure out if there is truth to the claim without knowing what the claimant knows. If it cannot be tested or they don't want the scruteny of such, then the odds are highly likely it is nothing more than their pesonal pet whim. Things that are universal do not have to be protected by taboos or false use of changing a word into a slur because someone is uncomfortable with reality.

I don't mean to oversimplify logic but it can be as eas as asking that used car salesman if you can have the car checked out independently and they say "No" it is a safe bet they are selling you a lemon.

[Cato]

Your entire post can be discounted, because you don't even know what a hipster is. There are essays and discussions all over the net about it.

You should take your own advice about embarassing yourself

I'm so tired of this hipster bullshit. What's worse is reading that someone is giving another soul shit for not knowing what it is.

Hipster is nothing more than the modern day nerd, dork, geek, twerp, spaz, etc.

It's simply the label that conformists of the same age give to people that are different in order to denigrate those that are independent in mind.

[Spectrum]

It's simply the label that conformists of the same age give to people that are different in order to denigrate those that are independent in mind.

LOL

No, it is not. What the hell have you been reading?

This should help those of you are clueless (Brian should read this too): http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hipsters

[Brian37]

Your entire post can be discounted, because you don't even know what a hipster is. There are essays and discussions all over the net about it.

You should take your own advice about embarassing yourself

I'm so tired of this hipster bullshit. What's worse is reading that someone is giving another soul shit for not knowing what it is.

Hipster is nothing more than the modern day nerd, dork, geek, twerp, spaz, etc.

It's simply the label that conformists of the same age give to people that are different in order to denigrate those that are independent in mind.

Not sure if I agree with this. First off even when I was less educated I was still one of those "dorks" the jocks picked on, so unless you were one of those jocks, this might not be the best metaphor for what you are saying.

BUT again, if they insist on using the word "hip" as a slur, it is quite common for the person or people they aim it at and own it. I certainly do with the word "atheist", which up until recently was widely used and is still used as a slur to demonize us.

So again, if "hip" means popular, so what. I see nothing wrong with the truth of reality being popular. It makes no sense to demonize DNA and the fact that it takes TWO sets to manifest into a baby. So the only logical and rightful statement to the claim of a baby born of a virgin is simple "bullshit". If that makes me "hip" damned right.

Otherwise we cowtow to the insecuriteis of others becaase of some stupid sense of nostalgia, which I am glad we as a species have not consistiantly bowed to that, otherwise women couldnt vote and blacks would still be slaves.

This is simply an internal slur used by atheists who are too insecure themselves. The individuals I value, are not strictly atheists, but the ones unafraid of the battle and hold no ill will while having it.

Instead of masking their insecurities with such dishonest tactic, what they should say is "You know, I don't like it when you do that". Then I respond with "fine, you don't have to like it, but I don't owe you a loyalty on all issues all the time merely because we share the same label".

[Cyberman]

Just a future reminder, anytime I respond to these comments it is not for your benefit it is for the benefit of the theist who might read this and missunderstand what you say.

Thank you for clarifying my clarification, or rather expansion, since like you I wasn't strictly addressing your post so much as developing upon it. Still, every little helps . Watch as I do it again:

The problem with the type of atheists (they are few in number yet are quite vociferous) you most likely have a problem with is that they think that they are somehow intelligent for not believing in religion and don't need to adhere to any academic standards whatsoever.

Speaking only for myself, of course, I concur with others who consider me intelligent, not because I don't believe in religion (is religion something one can believe in anyway?) but because what I am in the habit of calling my intellect is not shackled by religious ideology; my capacity for learning and self-correction is not hamstrung at the starting gate by the desperate need to conform to dodgy dogma.

[Brian37]

It's simply the label that conformists of the same age give to people that are different in order to denigrate those that are independent in mind.

LOL

No, it is not. What the hell have you been reading?

This should help those of you are clueless (Brian should read this too): http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hipsters

Who is denying the term is used? You miss our point in that allowing the magic of words to rule you is stupid. If they want to call themselves hipsters and or others want to use it as a slur to distance themselves from "hipsters" I don't give a shit. It still doesn't change that virgin births arnt real.

Any word that is used to label onself or label others can be used as both a postive thing and or a pejoritive.

"Gay" has more than one definition. Originally it ment happy. Then homophobes used it to demonize "gays", but somehow gays got through it and beyond it and STILL use the word "gay".

Thats why while words are important, I don't treat them like they have magical powers over me.

[Cato]

It's simply the label that conformists of the same age give to people that are different in order to denigrate those that are independent in mind.

LOL

No, it is not. What the hell have you been reading?

This should help those of you are clueless (Brian should read this too): http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hipsters

You didn't read the entries, did you? And let's be honest...urban dictionary? The urban dictionary is nothing more than a popularity contest (thumbs up/thumbs down...like/dislike) for words and phrases. Did you read all the entries for hipster and decide on one? Or are you just referring to the first one since it had the most votes? Who voted? Can I trust them? Are they educated? How do I know all the positive voters just don't hate what you call a hipster? How do I know that the votes (remember, the votes decide which opinion/definition gets to the top) are unique?

You asked what the hell I have been reading. Not the urban dictionary is a valid answer. You didn't argue my point and used the urban dictionary as a reference supporting nothing. I actually think the entries in the urban dictionary for hipster proves my point.