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RE: How is Yahweh not immoral?
November 25, 2012 at 7:11 pm
(November 25, 2012 at 5:21 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Well, if you want to call it "knowledge"...yeah, you kind of have to be able to explain that Cat. Just invoke "faith" and be done with it. If you feel that the term "faith" doesn't garner the respect and gravitas that "knowledge" does then maybe that should be a canary in the mines moment for you......your own valuation of knowledge over faith. Just something to chew on, you know. Is there anything about the way these declarations of faith are received that should be surprising or difficult to understand to a person who cannot even bring themselves to call them faith? I think not. Evidence and knowledge seem (at least seem) to be more important to you than faith, by your invocation of both.....why should another approach this differently? Why should you be excused on either account if they are so important as to be the focus-over-faith even in your own comments?
Dot claim that you "know" something, show that you do.
Don't tell me the that the evidence is "everywhere"...just point to a single fucking place.......
You want me to point to a single fucking place? How do I "know" what makes your blood boil? How do I "know" exactly how you'll respond? How do I "know" how to manipulate you???
My "beliefs" (faith) and my "knowledge" are two separate things... Learn how to differentiate between the two...
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RE: How is Yahweh not immoral?
November 25, 2012 at 7:16 pm
(This post was last modified: November 25, 2012 at 7:18 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
You don't, unless you can demonstrate that you do (and how you came to know it).
When asked about a god, the person for whom the separation between knowledge and belief is clear does not respond with "I know what I know". I contend that you know nothing whatsoever about any god. I back this assertion with reference to repeated requests to demonstrate any knowledge of any god whatsoever, however little, or wherever it may be found, combined with your complete inability to do so (including the one I'm about to make). Feel free to make an ass out of me at your leisure by demonstrating that you do....
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: How is Yahweh not immoral?
November 25, 2012 at 7:18 pm
I don't have to. You do quite a good job at that by yourself...
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RE: How is Yahweh not immoral?
November 25, 2012 at 7:21 pm
You'll have to elaborate on that one for me, it's unclear to me how that comment establishes any knowledge of either a god or what makes my blood boil. Again, take your time, no rush.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: How is Yahweh not immoral?
November 25, 2012 at 7:34 pm
And, how do you keep an asshole in suspense????
I'll tell you tomorrow...
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RE: How is Yahweh not immoral?
November 25, 2012 at 7:47 pm
(November 25, 2012 at 4:00 pm)Darkstar Wrote: Angry at whom? There are a few instances where god is angry at the israelites and brings doom upon them. I'm not referring to that (though he does get 'angry' over some pretty petty things, like picking up sticks on a Sunday). God must be 'angry' an awful lot then, considering that the book of Joshua is one big slaughter fest in his name, topped off with some survivor enslaving. God is nice to his (arbitrarily) chosen people, he kills everybody else. Who's to say that 40,000 years ago God didn't choose all people? The Isralites represented an unbroken lineage of being in covenant with God going back to "Adam" ie the first man, that would be around 40,000 years ago or more. That's a long time to allow for the other nations to fall away from God.
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RE: How is Yahweh not immoral?
November 25, 2012 at 7:55 pm
(This post was last modified: November 25, 2012 at 7:56 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
40,000 years ago or more for the first man? If "or more" equals 200k, and "first man" equals anatomically modern human and you're willing to discard all of the details of the narrative in their entirety ( for example, if "unbroken" was taken to mean "imagined")...then yeah, sure....anything is possible........
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: How is Yahweh not immoral?
November 25, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Quote:od going back to "Adam" ie the first man, that would be around 40,000 years ago or more.
There was never a single "first man", otherwise we wouldn't be here: the amount inbreeding implied by the existence of a single first male member of our species would have wiped us out in a few hundred years.
We can approximately date back the first man who had a line of male descendants uninterrupted by females, but: a) since people are having children all the time, the identity of the first male with a "line of succession" of only males changes every day (probably even more frequently) and b)even when this man was alive there were many other males, whose descendants at some point had no male offspring.
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RE: How is Yahweh not immoral?
November 25, 2012 at 9:00 pm
(November 25, 2012 at 4:40 pm)catfish Wrote: If you believe what you wrote, then why claim that the Bible is the only "evidence" of God?
I am beginning to think you are not speaking of merely Yahweh. The trouble is that you are unclear.
The only 'evidence' of Yahweh is the Bible.
(November 25, 2012 at 4:23 pm)Ryantology Wrote: I know what I know, I can't explain it and I'm not required to. You are supposed to make up your own mind. What I say makes no difference to you just as what you say makes no difference to me...
You do not know anything, because there is nothing to know. Invented fantasies are not knowledge. If it was legitimate, you would be able to show it to me and I would be incapable of denying the truth of its existence.
(November 25, 2012 at 4:23 pm)Ryantology Wrote: I don't believe that God is "what isn't", so what exactly do you want me to say to you?
You say eternal condemnation "may" not be in the Bible, but that just shows that you don't know...
I could be wrong about that, true.
But, what you believe is irrelevant. Reality is not subject to your fantasies. God does not exist just because you want to think he does.
Quote:Open your eyes, there is evidence everywhere, it's all in how you interpret it for yourself...
If I have to interpret it as evidence, it isn't evidence of any value. It is a delusion. I can interpret anything I want to be evidence of anything I want. I can come up with 'evidence' that Garfield is a real cat. It would be ridiculous stuff and people would scoff at me for asserting it, but it's all in how you interpret it for yourself...
There is no evidence of green elephants in my living room. I have searched this room thoroughly for evidence of green elephants and none has been forthcoming. I could not even get a green elephant in my living room because it would be impossible to fit one through the door. Nobody has ever seen a green elephant anywhere, much less in my living room. There is no reason for me to believe that a green elephant is in my living room. Therefore, it is reasonable to assert "there are no green elephants in my living room.
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RE: How is Yahweh not immoral?
November 25, 2012 at 9:56 pm
(November 25, 2012 at 7:47 pm)Daniel Wrote: Who's to say that 40,000 years ago God didn't choose all people? The Isralites represented an unbroken lineage of being in covenant with God going back to "Adam" ie the first man, that would be around 40,000 years ago or more. That's a long time to allow for the other nations to fall away from God.
Unbroken lineage? How could it be broken if everyone were descended from Adam? Not to mention that no one has yet explained the whole garden of Eden thing.
That would point to another reason why god is not good. God didn't give Adam or Eve the ability to distingush right from wrong. In fact, the fruit was 'knowledge of good and evil', therefore Adam and Eve didn't even know there was such a thing as wrong. God let Satan tempt them, knowing how it would end, and rather than allowing them to know the difference between right and wrong, he lets them fail, and them punishes them heavily.
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