What one thing would disprove Christianity to you?

[Cyberman]

Personal experiences don't have to be either genuine or hoaxes. They might just be subject to one's own interpretation and biases.

[salty]

So true, Stimbo. This also means that it would be extremely hard to convince some people that their religious beliefs are false when that person centers their faith on an amazing experience, perhaps something they may have never even told someone. I know a Muslim man that had an experience like this, but he told me about it, and it's the reason he believes in Islam. I have never experienced anything that has made me want to deny God, I don't think I will in the future either, but if I do, you will all be the first to know, as I will surely stop in and tell you what situation "de-converted" me.

[genkaus]

So true, Stimbo. This also means that it would be extremely hard to convince some people that their religious beliefs are false when that person centers their faith on an amazing experience, perhaps something they may have never even told someone. I know a Muslim man that had an experience like this, but he told me about it, and it's the reason he believes in Islam. I have never experienced anything that has made me want to deny God, I don't think I will in the future either, but if I do, you will all be the first to know, as I will surely stop in and tell you what situation "de-converted" me.

That is precisely your problem. Experiences, by themselves, won't convince you of anything. It is the preconception you use to evaluate and judge those experiences that need to be examined. I've never known an atheist who started disbelieving because he "experienced" god's non-existence.

[salty]

So true, Stimbo. This also means that it would be extremely hard to convince some people that their religious beliefs are false when that person centers their faith on an amazing experience, perhaps something they may have never even told someone. I know a Muslim man that had an experience like this, but he told me about it, and it's the reason he believes in Islam. I have never experienced anything that has made me want to deny God, I don't think I will in the future either, but if I do, you will all be the first to know, as I will surely stop in and tell you what situation "de-converted" me.

That is precisely your problem. Experiences, by themselves, won't convince you of anything. It is the preconception you use to evaluate and judge those experiences that need to be examined. I've never known an atheist who started disbelieving because he "experienced" god's non-existence.

Just because you have not experienced an atheist thinking this way, doesn't mean it does not happen. There are plenty of people that have desired a "God moment" and it hasn't come, therefore they decided that God was not real (disbelief when God does not show himself). This tends to happen when God doesn't save a family member from death or stop something from happening, like cancer or sexual abuse. The people I spoke to over several years seemed to be victims of something, my mother is a social worker, so I have spoken to some very different people and heard many experiences where God should have saved them, but since he didn't, they no longer wanted to think of him as anything but false. And what can you do in that situation, but understand their pain and hope for a way to show that you have had a very different experience with God, whether your perception is deemed correct or not, it's okay to share, and it's okay for someone to deny God. Everyone chooses for themselves.

In addition, preconceptions are formed at a young age by various things, culture, family, personal opinion and lets not forget, experiences. Changing a preconception is something someone would need to sit down and really work on, they would have to desire to change, that's why there would have to be some kind of life changing experience behind the re-evaluation of someone's preconceived notions.

[genkaus]

Just because you have not experienced an atheist thinking this way, doesn't mean it does not happen. There are plenty of people that have desired a "God moment" and it hasn't come, therefore they decided that God was not real (disbelief when God does not show himself). This tends to happen when God doesn't save a family member from death or stop something from happening, like cancer or sexual abuse. The people I spoke to over several years seemed to be victims of something, my mother is a social worker, so I have spoken to some very different people and heard many experiences where God should have saved them, but since he didn't, they no longer wanted to think of him as anything but false. And what can you do in that situation, but understand their pain and hope for a way to show that you have had a very different experience with God, whether your perception is deemed correct or not, it's okay to share, and it's okay for someone to deny God. Everyone chooses for themselves.

Kind of proving my point here. Experience by itself and without a proper examination of preconceptions is not a very good basis for belief or disbelief in god.

In addition, preconceptions are formed at a young age by various things, culture, family, personal opinion and lets not forget, experiences. Changing a preconception is something someone would need to sit down and really work on, they would have to desire to change, that's why there would have to be some kind of life changing experience behind the re-evaluation of someone's preconceived notions.

Not really. I chose to examine my beliefs and preconceptions without ever feeling it to be necessary or there being any life-altering experience behind it.

[Zone]

The Apocalpse, the Four Horsemen, Jesus returning to Earth leading an army against the anti-Christ the demonic hordes and all that business would do the trick. I'm about as certain as it's possible to be that's not going to ever happen.

[fr0d0]

The Apocalpse, the Four Horsemen, Jesus returning to Earth leading an army against the anti-Christ the demonic hordes and all that business would do the trick. I'm about as certain as it's possible to be that's not going to ever happen.

Hard core Christian = you Z

[WinterHold]

On the day I spit in Allah's eye, and tell Him he's done a crap job. Because everyone before mohammad is doomed to islam hell and everyone not born into whichever version is the current correct one is also going to islam hell. then I will believe that I might have been wrong about Christianity.

What about you what would it take to believe Christianity was true?

I'm very sorry to bring an old topic up, but I hate it -like really hate it- --like really really really hate it-- when christians start criticizing ( and insulting ) Islam.

First of all, allah is "god", or 'the father" in your religion. But we simply say that he is too divine to "mimic human behaviors" and have a son like humans do.

Islam simply cleans what your foul monks did to god's name, accusing him -the most divine entity ; the creator- to have a son, carrying his own divinity too, now that's closer to greek mythology, and the biggest flaw in what you call religion.

Your so called religion insulted god in a way which satan himself can't catch up with !

Believe me, even atheists think that Muslims respect god more than Christians, Ask them yourself.

Islam divines god to the way that we can't compare it to anything ; hence accusing him of having a family like humans.

Just remember that allah is the same one & only god who you think is the father of jesus. So insulting him would be ridiculous,especially from a christian.

[fr0d0]

Just remember that allah is the same one & only god who you think is the father of jesus. So insulting him would be ridiculous,especially from a christian.

You got that wrong. Allah isn't God. There are many differences. Differences that contradict the definition of the Christian God.

Tell me: there are 3 parts to the Christian Godhead. What's the 3rd part?

[Zen Badger]

Just remember that allah is the same one & only god who you think is the father of jesus. So insulting him would be ridiculous,especially from a christian.

You got that wrong. Allah isn't God. There are many differences. Differences that contradict the definition of the Christian God.

Tell me: there are 3 parts to the Christian Godhead. What's the 3rd part?

You mean petty, jealous, irrational and murderous?

Sounds like the christian god to me.