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I'm just impressed with their contracts, to he honest. How do you get people to sign binding legal contracts that extend into the afterlife while turning you into a tool for an alien that wants to make the world better with your indoctrined offspring, so you best tell on your spouse if they have any secrets whatsoever or say something out of line.. for their own eternal good???
Props to the peeps, honestly.
I call your Mormon pair and raise you a three of a kind. Right Tom?
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
(May 28, 2017 at 3:59 am)Luckie Wrote: I'm just impressed with their contracts, to he honest. How do you get people to sign binding legal contracts that extend into the afterlife while turning you into a tool for an alien that wants to make the world better with your indoctrined offspring, so you best tell on your spouse if they have any secrets whatsoever or say something out of line.. for their own eternal good???
Props to the peeps, honestly.
I call your Mormon pair and raise you a three of a kind. Right Tom?
To be precise, scientologists don't aim to serve Xenu - he's the bad guy. But yeah, they really are afraid to "lose their eternity" if they do anything out of line. I.e. the usual religion trap.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
The contracts Scientologists sign aren't legally binding. If you escape the "Church", they might send you a bill for your auditing sessions and such but you don't have to actually pay it.
(May 27, 2017 at 4:24 pm)Luckie Wrote: You guys forgot the most powerful hand of all. The face palm. Aka: Scientology.
Yeah.... 5 Scientologists is the equivalent of a straight flush.
But if you want a royal flush you need 5 lizard people of the Babylonian Brotherhood.
I didn't forget. I already said that David Icke's cult is crazier than Mormonism and Scientology combined
Yeah I just saw that. U know what that lizard man thing reminds me of? V the Movie series.
Are we sure he didn't just watch this in 1983 and then.. Schitzophrenia?
And then.. he had the bejeezuzs scared out of him by this scene?
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
Isis Wrote:The contracts Scientologists sign aren't legally binding. If you escape the "Church", they might send you a bill for your auditing sessions and such but you don't have to actually pay it.
Um..That's incorrect sorry. They lock people up. The people try to escape, get caught and brought back to the "reprogramming" facilities which are tens of miles from town. When someone wants to ditch the church, they must leave EVerything behind and run, fast. Because they are monitored 24/7 when not in lock down facilities like their kids.
Contract info:
Quote:The fourth standard contract a Scientologist signs is called “Agreement and General Assistance Regarding Spiritual Assistance.” Shockingly, this is Scientology’s infamous “Kidnap Contract” which allows the Church to take any of its members and lock them up for an indefinite duration of time — and this without the kidnapped member having the benefit of any legal representation, legal hearing, medical evaluation, or medical intervention. All a Scientology “case supervisor” has to say is that a member has gone Type III. After this pronouncement, the member is bodily seized, locked up, and held against their will. This is exactly what happened to Lisa McPherson.
Lisa McPherson died while being held captive in Scientology’s Introspection Rundown. In the contract excerpt below, the Scientologist agrees to not sue the Church for any injuries or damage — and this release contemplates death — that might or could occur when one is being held as a religious prisoner in the Introspection Rundown. Excerpt:
Have you seen Leah Remini's documentaries? They're unbelievable!
Shocking truths #1: Kids are treated like adults
Jenna Miscavige Hill
Beyond Belief author Jenna Miscavige Hill, who is the niece of Church of Scientology head David Miscavige, was raised a Scientologist and was once a member of Sea Org, considered the most elite group within Scientology. But after leaving the cult at 21, Hill became one of the cult’s most outspoken critics. Hill has described her Scientology upbringing as both abusive and controlling. Scientology children, according to Hill, were required to work 14-hour days seven days a week, and she was discouraged from associating with children who weren’t part of Sea Org. At the age of seven, Hill says, she was forced to sign a pledge that she would serve Sea Org “for the next billion years.” (Scientologists believe that one obtains a new body after death, although they reject the Hindu and Buddhist views of reincarnation.)
More..
Not so shocking truth #2: Sexual exploitation and suppression of minors
Crimes committed by Scientology members are handled in-house
Scobee told Remini that when she was 14 and working for Scientology, she was the victim of statutory rape at the hands of an adult male member. The man confessed to his wife, and then to officials at the Church, who not only did not report him to authorities; they did not even tell her parents what had happened to her. Scientologist are taught that the criminal justice system does not work and that crimes committed by members are to be handled by the Church, not the laws of the outside world.
Even more horrifying is the fact that, according to Scobee, the Church's way of "handling" such crimes as child sexual abuse and rape is to blame the victim. Scientologists are taught that bad things that happen to them, be it sexual assault or a cancer diagnosis, are the result of their own past "crimes"; in other words, Scobee was made to believe that her rape was her own fault.
Shocking Truth #3: Abortions are encouraged and at times required of upper ranking members
Much of the film is spent discussing the Rehabilitation Project Force, a confined space created by Hubbard which ex-church member Spanky Taylor — formerly John Travolta's handler and closest contact within the church — describes as a "prison camp." She was sent after criticizing the church for denying medical treatment to her boss; though it was seemingly a "mistake," she discovered that many of the church's executives were also at RPF. Miscavige describes it as a place to become "destressed" through menial labor, but Taylor describes it as "30 hours on, three hours off." Eventually, she became pregnant, something the church describes as an "unpractical burden" for members of Sea Org, leading it to pressure many into having abortions.
Claire Headley, a member of the Church for 30 years, said she lived on the organization’s international base near Hemet, Calif., which she described similarly to Ron Miscavige in the previous episode. In addition to needing permission for phone calls and having outgoing mail screened, Claire alleged she would be given a “freeloader’s debt” if she left. That’s a bill defined in the docuseries as “retroactive billing for all Scientology auditing and training received while in the Sea Org, can run into tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars.”
Claire also alleged that members of the Church’s Sea Organization were encouraged not to have children, an allegation the church denies.
“If a woman got pregnant, she would instantly be scheduled to go and get an abortion,” she told Remini. “If she refused in any manner, she would be segregated, not allowed to speak with her husband, put under security watch, put on heavy manual labor and interrogated for her crimes…” Rinder echoed Claire’s claim in an interview, adding it was a “mortal sin” to get pregnant as a Sea Organization member.
But the documentaris Leah RemIni has are incredibly enlightening. And frightening. They plant families next door to spy on disconnected members, surveillance them with hidden cameras in bird houses or hire PRIVATE investigators to go through your trash and follow you, etc. Even just critics of the church like a Washington Post writer gets such treatments. Any means necessary.
I'll stop here, I'm tired and this is not the thread. Thanks for reading if u got this far!
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
I am aware of how the Co$ treats its members, former members and their families, but legally speaking, the contracts aren't binding. You are talking about an entirely different thing. The billion year contract isn't legally binding either.
Sorry, but my first post was correct. I will drop the subject as well as I do not want it to get heated, but I think we can agree that the "Church" is ran by a bunch of assholes.